Which Piece that you love is not FAMOUS ?? - Page 3 - Classical Music Forums

MarkLV · #31 (**permalink**) Feb-04-2007, 02:12

A good thread.

1. Tchaikovsky - 'Manfred Symphony'. Really more of a symphonic poem in four movements, but it utterly amazes me that this work is not heard more often.
2. Brahms - Serenade no.1. Unusually structured, in six movements, but much more a fully fledged symphony than serenade! A lovely, delightful work, from the first note to the last.
3. Paganini Concerto no.6. In my opinion, just as good as his first two, and well known, concertos. Superb.
4. Rubinstein Piano Concerto no.4. A wonderfully dark, brooding, romantic concerto. Must be heard more often.
5. Scriabin Piano Concerto. Again, a beautiful romantic work that deserves a wider audience.
6. Emil von Sauer Piano Concerto no.1. As above.

I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones that come to mind.

Manuel · #32 (**permalink**) Feb-04-2007, 02:16

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4. Rubinstein Piano Concerto no.4. A wonderfully dark, brooding, romantic concerto. Must be heard more often.

There's an antological recording of this concerto by Hoffmann and the Curtis Institute Orchestra. A must have. Then you have, as usual, the ones in Hyperion and Naxos, as a part of their Romantic Piano concertos series.
I also like Rubinstein's fifth, even though it sounds a lot like a second rate Beethoven's Emperor.

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6. Emil von Sauer Piano Concerto no.1. As above.

I have it in a Hyperion disc, but never gained my attention. After your suggestion I think I should try it again. Thanks for this.

Kurkikohtaus · #33 (**permalink**) Feb-06-2007, 10:55

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What I was doing here is listing the works that sometime ago seemed rare to me.

By that reckoning, someone who has heard Beethoven's 5th once in his life and never cross-referenced any outside sources as to the work's popularity and significance has every right to call it "not famous" or "rare".

The follow-through and establishment of criteria as Topaz suggests is what separates a well founded discussion from the random generation of endless uninteresting lists.

That said, I found the Bronze Idol comment kind of funny, if it was meant as a joke...

Manuel · #34 (**permalink**) Feb-06-2007, 14:22

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By that reckoning, someone who has heard Beethoven's 5th once in his life and never cross-referenced any outside sources as to the work's popularity and significance has every right to call it "not famous" or "rare".

The follow-through and establishment of criteria as Topaz suggests is what separates a well founded discussion from the random generation of endless uninteresting lists.

Uninteresting? Certainly not for me. As you may realise there are even more names out there, waiting for recognition and deserving popularity (gaining massive audiences instead of small and snobbish circles). Wuorinen, Meyer, Camilo, Malipiero, Antheil, Kalinnikov, Birtwistle, Taktakishvili... ....

Manuel · #35 (**permalink**) Feb-06-2007, 14:25

Ireland, Panufnik, Pintscher, Tüur, Ruders, Ben-Haim, Kancheli, Bliss, Dalbavie, Zehavi, Achron...

robert · #36 (**permalink**) Feb-12-2007, 20:32

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Take your time to discover it. I've been listening for six years only and at this point I have about 1700 cds. However, I can assure you my collection will keep growing, there's a lot of music out there for me to be discovered.

You shouldn't be impressed by the names you read here. Most of the names and works listed in this thread are rare if you are an amateur. I dare to say most of them are actually the first pieces you get when your collection/knowledge in this subject grows.

This works were listed here and I don't think they should be considered as rare stuff:

Ralph Vaughan Williams - 'Serenade to Music' (for Solo Singers and Orchestra)
Schumann - Violin Concerto - Come on, this is one of the most popular vc outhere
Brahms - Piano Quartet No. 1 Op. 26
Mozart - String Quartet K. 464 (or is this by Luchesi? )
Godowsky - Passacaglia based on the first eight bars of Schubert's Unfinished Symphony
Berlioz - King Lear overture
Berlioz - Les francs-juges overture
Beethoven - Romance for Violin and Orchestra No. 2
Alkan - Concerto for Solo Piano Op. 39
Brahms' string sextets - Really? They're a standard part in repertoire
Beethoven: Cello & Piano Sonata No 3; Archduke Piano Trio
Berlioz Roman Carnival
Brahms Piano Solo Op 119; Piano Quintet; Clarinet Quintet
Bruckner Symph 4 - One of the most famous symphonies, by a very well known composer
Glazunov Violin Concerto A min - A common piece in the repertoire
Liszt Piano Sonata B Min - - A common piece in the repertoire
8. Mozart Symp 39 - Mozart a rare thing?
Respighi Fountains of Rome - One of Respighi's most famous works
Rimsky-Korsakov Russian Easter Festival Overture - Nothin to say about this, too popular
Tchaikovsky Marche Slave - THE PROM QUEEN, probablt the most popular work ever.
Chopin - Polonaise in C minor - Come on...

2. Brahms - Piano Sonata no.3 (isn't it actually famous...?)

3. Enescu - Romanian Rhapsody no.1 - You play at almost every amateur orchestra
11. Brahms - Intermezzo no.1 - Opus number? ... It's a joke, they're part of the standard repertoire also

My list would include
symphonies by Peterson-Berger and Draeseke
Bacri's Une Priere
K. A. Hartmann's violin concerto
Bruckner chamber works (not rare, but also non standard)
Elgar's chamber work from his early stage.
Kabalevsky's Requiem Op72
violin sonatas by G. L. Catoire.
Khrennikov's violin concertos
Tubin - Requiem for fallen soldiers, and his violin concertos
J. O. af Sillen - 3rd symphony and violin concerto
Atterberg - Symphonies and concertos
Szymanowski - piano sonatas, and Metopes.
Andriessen's organ concerto
Kopylov - his marvelous symphony
a few symphonies by Alberich Magnard
Malipiero's violin concerto (even though it's a bit scratchy....)

I'll try to get it. Is it longer and quieter than the second?

Manuel
I am not big on lists, although I could see the purpose of them. Regarding your list alot of names you listed I think have done some great things...(I enjoyed Kopylov symphony along with Veales violin concerto (not on your list) were my two best discoveries last year). If I did do lists I would include Hartmann on mine....a great piece....

Robert

robert · #37 (**permalink**) Feb-12-2007, 20:38

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Ireland, Panufnik, Pintscher, Tüur, Ruders, Ben-Haim, Kancheli, Bliss, Dalbavie, Zehavi, Achron...

What a diverse list...Any favorite pieces here...Are you familiar with Panufnik's Violin concerto?

Robert

Manuel · #38 (**permalink**) Feb-13-2007, 01:06

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I enjoyed Kopylov symphony along with Veales violin concerto (not on your list) were my two best discoveries last year

That symphony is a whole Kopilov affair. Last year a member of other board uploaded three mp3 (being each one a part of the first three movs of this symphony), stating he had taped them from a BBC radio in the 80s; but he didn't know the work. We spent about 2 months (if not more), wandering through obscure russian symphonies until someone found it was Kopylov.
Which recording do you have? Is it the Almeyda one? I have this one and makes no point of comparison with the taped one, the conductor there makes it much more interesting (but we have no clue on who he is, or which orchestra he conducts)

Hartmann's violin concerto is a work I like very much (and reminds me of Bacri's Une Priere)

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What a diverse list...Any favorite pieces here...Are you familiar with Panufnik's Violin concerto?

Robert

Favs:
Joseph Achron: violin sonata
Ben Haim: sonata for solo violin and violin concerto
Ireland: various orchestral works (Piccadilly is one I find very funny)
Dalvabie: his violin concerto
Kancheli: third symphony.

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I don't dare to say they are my favorite violin sonatas, symphonies or violin concerto, but they are works I like and enjoy very much.
I like that violin concerto, the recording I have of it was taken at the Proms. Is it in cd?

robert · #39 (**permalink**) Feb-13-2007, 17:38

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That symphony is a whole Kopilov affair. Last year a member of other board uploaded three mp3 (being each one a part of the first three movs of this symphony), stating he had taped them from a BBC radio in the 80s; but he didn't know the work. We spent about 2 months (if not more), wandering through obscure russian symphonies until someone found it was Kopylov.
Which recording do you have? Is it the Almeyda one? I have this one and makes no point of comparison with the taped one, the conductor there makes it much more interesting (but we have no clue on who he is, or which orchestra he conducts)

Hartmann's violin concerto is a work I like very much (and reminds me of Bacri's Une Priere)

Favs:
Joseph Achron: violin sonata
Ben Haim: sonata for solo violin and violin concerto
Ireland: various orchestral works (Piccadilly is one I find very funny)
Dalvabie: his violin concerto
Kancheli: third symphony.

....

I don't dare to say they are my favorite violin sonatas, symphonies or violin concerto, but they are works I like and enjoy very much.
I like that violin concerto, the recording I have of it was taken at the Proms. Is it in cd?

Manuel,

Kopylov Symphony op14 de Almeida ASV DCA 1013
Panufnik Violin Concerto
Kabara, Michniewski DUX 0254
Alexander Sitkovetsky EMI 7243 5 57440 2 9
very strongly rec John Veale b/w Britten Violin Concertos Mordkovitch Hickox BBC S.O.
chandos 9910
enjoy

Robert

MungoPark · #40 (**permalink**) Feb-15-2007, 12:57

Where to begin! I suppose chronological would be easiest.

Baroque

Handel: Organ Concertos nos 3 and 5 from op. 7
Handel: La resurrezione, HWV 47
G. Sammartini: Concerto grosso no 8 in G minor
Fasch: Overture in G major
Marcello: Concerto for 2 Oboes no 14 in A major
Buxtehude: Alles, was ihr tut, BuxWV 4
Correte: Lobt Gott, Ihr Allzugleich
Rameau: Dardanus: Suite
Duphly: Pièces de clavecin, Book 4: no 6, La du Buq

Classical

Anything by Saint-Georges
Pleyel: Concerto for Clarinet in B flat major
Krommer: Concerto for Oboe in F major, Op. 52
Fiala: Oboe Concerto
Mozart: Les petits riens, K Anh. 10 (299b)
Gretry: Le huron: Overture
Maldere: Symphony in G minor
Clementi: Symphony no 3 in G major, Wo 34 "Great National"
Georg Benda: Symphony in C major
Paisiello: Piano concertos nos 2 and 4
Andreas Jakob Romberg: Quintets (3) for Flute, Violin, 2 Violas and Cello, Op. 41

Early Romantic:
Ries: Quintet for Piano and Strings, Op. 74
Ries:Concerto for Piano no 3 in C sharp minor, Op. 55
Rossini: Grand' overture obbligato a contrabbasso
Rossini: Sonata for Harp in E flat major
Mendelssohn: Piano Quartets 1 and 2
Mendelssohn: Symphony for Strings no 10 in B minor
Berwald: Symphonies 1-4
Schubert: Divertimento for Piano 4 hands, D 823 "sur motifs originaux français"
Weber: Piano Concertos 1 and 2
Kuhlau: Piano quartets
Auber: La sirène Overture
Paer: La Biondina

Mid-Late Romantic
Anything by Lumbye
Saint-Saens: Rhapsodie d'Auvergne for Piano and Orchestra in C major, Op. 73
Lehar: Hungarian Fantasy for Violin and Orchestra, Op. 45
Chabrier: Suite pastorale
Gottschalk: Grande tarantelle for Piano and Orchestra, RO 259/Op. 67
Herbert: Panamerica
Herz: Concerto for Piano no 5 in F minor, Op. 180
Sullivan: Victoria and Merrie England
Suppe: Franz Schubert: Overture
Svendsen: Symphony no 1 in D major, Op. 4

for starters.

Manuel · #41 (**permalink**) Feb-15-2007, 14:40

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for starters

LOL

That's a very interesting list.

There's a piano roll of Saint-Säens playing his Rapsodie d'Auvergne, available at Naxos Historical.
From Chabrier I also recommend Pieces Pittoresques Op. 10 (A very good opportunity to listen to forgotten pianist Marcelle Meyer)

Amy · #42 (**permalink**) Mar-08-2007, 15:14

There's only one for me- 'When to the Temple Mary Went' by Johannes Eccard; it's absolutely sublime!

jam*tart · #43 (**permalink**) Apr-06-2007, 08:18

Here's a few:
Giacinto Scelsi- Manto I & II
Brahms- Symphony No. 4 (kind of famous, but not as famous as Beethoven's 9th, say)
Schubert- Wintereisse (sp?)
Schubert- Symphony No. 8
Stravinsky- L'histoire du soldat , and Pulcinella suite
Bartok- All string quartets
Shostakovich- most string quartets

I could really go on forever, but will stop there. Please note that these pieces are not necessarily my favourites, just the ones that sprang to mind.

Lisztfreak · #44 (**permalink**) Apr-06-2007, 18:57

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Here's a few:
Giacinto Scelsi- Manto I & II
Brahms- Symphony No. 4 (kind of famous, but not as famous as Beethoven's 9th, say)
Schubert- Wintereisse (sp?)
Schubert- Symphony No. 8
Stravinsky- L'histoire du soldat , and Pulcinella suite
Bartok- All string quartets
Shostakovich- most string quartets

Whoa! These pieces, except the first and the last one, really ARE famous!

Winterreise.

Manuel · #45 (**permalink**) Apr-06-2007, 19:33

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Whoa! These pieces, except the first and the last one, really ARE famous!

LOL. That was my first thought too.