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Schubert's 5th / Mozart's 40th?

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#1 · (Edited)
Has anyone, when listening to Schubert's 5th symphony's first movement, thought that it sounded like a happy version of Mozart's 40th's first movement?

It's just that I was listening to the Schubert symphony then the thought popped into my head and I wondered if I was the only one that thought that.

Also, I know they have the same key signature and all, so that might be a contributing factor.
 
#4 ·
Interesting observation. Charles Rosen also found similarities with the 40th symphony. He wrote in The Classical Style, "The minuet of Schubert's Symphony No. 5 combines the third and fourth movements of the Mozart G minor symphony so that one hears a blurred echo of the past in its outline."
 
#6 ·
Yes, the signature is the same - two flats, but the key is not. Mozart's 40th is in G minor while Schubert fifth is in Bb major. Well, this is a major difference.

Schubert admired Mozart's 40th, but it is not clear to me whether or not this admiration had an effect in composing the fifth. Why the fifth and not the preceding four? Why none of the later symphonies?
 
#11 ·
If we're talking about Schubert modeling symphonies - you can't help but think that 5 minutes into the last movement of his Great C symphony that it's melody is none other than the Ode to Joy theme in Beethoven 9.
 
#13 ·
I've also noticed this. I mentioned it on a forum several years ago, and the idea was dismissed as ridiculous. I think the similarities between Schubert's 5th and Mozart's 40th are striking, and suggest that Schubert used the 40th for a model for his 5th. Not only do they sound similar, they're also scored for the same instruments.
 
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