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    Default Notable operas that are not listed in our TC 100 Most Recommended Operas

    I'm curious to know what else you guys would nominate. I don't know what I'll make of these ideas, but later we may find some use for these additional nominations. You know, like in the early history of laser: a solution in search of a problem.

    So here is what the current list is, and then, please mention whatever opera you find to be noteworthy but didn't make it into our initial list.

    -1 Der Ring des Nibelungen (Wagner)
    -2 Tristan und Isolde (Wagner)
    -3 Le Nozze di Figaro (Mozart)
    -4 Giulio Cesare (Handel)
    -5 Les Troyens (Berlioz)
    -6 Don Giovanni (Mozart)
    -7 La Traviata (Verdi)
    -8 La Boheme (Puccini)
    -9 Der Rosenkavalier (Strauss)
    10 Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg (Wagner)
    11 Die Zauberflote (Mozart)
    12 Carmen (Bizet)
    13 Parsifal (Wagner)
    14 Il Barbiere di Siviglia (Rossini)
    15 Otello (Verdi)
    16 Tosca (Puccini)
    17 Cosi fan Tutte (Mozart)
    18 Wozzeck (Berg)
    19 Salome (Strauss)
    20 Lucia di Lammermoor (Donizetti)
    21 Lohengrin (Wagner)
    22 Eugene Onegin (Tchaikovsky)
    23 Aida (Verdi)
    24 Les Contes d'Hoffmann (Offenbach)
    25 Don Carlos (Verdi)
    26 Rigoletto (Verdi)
    27 Elektra (Strauss)
    28 Tannhauser (Wagner)
    29 L'Orfeo (Monteverdi)
    30 Moses und Aron (Schoenberg)
    31 Norma (Bellini)
    32 Boris Godunov (Mussorgsky)
    33 Fidelio (Beethoven)
    34 Dido and Aeneas (Purcell)
    35 La Fanciulla del West (Puccini)
    36 Jenufa (Janacek)
    37 War and Peace (Prokofiev)
    38 Porgy & Bess (Gershwin)
    39 Lulu (Berg)
    40 Ariodante (Handel)
    41 The Bartered Bride (Smetana)
    42 Der Fliegende Hollander (Wagner)
    43 Falstaff (Verdi)
    44 Turandot (Puccini)
    45 Madama Butterfly (Puccini)
    46 Les Indes Galantes (Rameau)
    47 Die Entfuhrung aus dem Serail (Mozart)
    48 Il Trovatore (Verdi)
    49 Simon Boccanegra (Verdi)
    50 Peter Grimes (Britten)
    51 Ariadne auf Naxos (Strauss)
    52 Manon (Massenet)
    53 Pelleas et Melisande (Debussy)
    54 La Damnation de Faust (Berlioz)
    55 Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk (Shostakovich)
    56 Alcina (Handel)
    57 Faust (Gounod)
    58 The Love for Three Oranges (Prokofiev)
    59 The Rake's Progress(Stravinsky)
    60 Orphée et Eurydice (Gluck)
    61 Idomeneo (Mozart)
    62 Bluebeard's Castle (Bartok)
    63 Cavalleria Rusticana (Mascagni)
    64 L'Elisir D'Amore (Donizetti)
    65 L'Incoronazione di Poppea (Monteverdi)
    66 Der Freischutz (Weber)
    67 La Cenerentola (Rossini)
    68 Hansel und Gretel (Humperdinck)
    69 Pagliacci (Leoncavallo)
    70 Gianni Schicchi (Puccini)
    71 Samson et Dalila (Saint-Saens)
    72 Capriccio (Strauss)
    73 Rusalka (Dvorak)
    74 L'Amour de Loin (Saariaho)
    75 I Puritani (Bellini)
    76 La Forza del Destino (Verdi)
    77 La Fille du Regiment (Donizetti)
    78 Romeo et Juliette (Gounod)
    79 Un Ballo in Maschera (Verdi)
    80 Don Pasquale (Donizetti)
    81 La Clemenza di Tito (Mozart)
    82 The Cunning Little Vixen (Janacek)
    83 Adriana Lecouvreur (Cilea)
    84 Macbeth (Verdi)
    85 La Rondine (Puccini)
    86 La Sonnambula (Bellini)
    87 L'Enfant et les Sortileges (Ravel)
    88 Euryanthe (Weber)
    89 The Golden Cockerel (Rimsky-Korsakov)
    90 L'Italiana in Algeri (Rossini)
    91 Andrea Chenier (Giordano)
    92 Werther (Massenet)
    93 Roberto Devereux (Donizetti)
    94 I Capuleti e i Montecchi (Bellini)
    95 Arabella (Strauss)
    96 Ernani (Verdi)
    97 Pique Dame (Tchaikovsky)
    98 Mignon (Thomas)
    99 Suor Angelica (Puccini)
    100 Orlando (Handel)

    I have some ideas (to be coherent with our initial top 100 list, no operettas have been included - not above, therefore not below):

    Il Ritorno d'Ulisse in Patria (Monteverdi)
    Ercole su'l Termodonte (Vivaldi)
    Atys (Lully)
    The Fairy Queen (Purcell)
    La Serva Padrona (Pergolesi)
    Zoroastre (Rameau)
    Les Boreades (Rameau)
    L'Alidoro (Leonardo Leo)
    Rinaldo (Handel)
    Hercules (Handel)
    Tamerlano (Handel)
    Theodora (Handel)
    Iphigénie en Tauride (Gluck)
    Il Re Pastore (Mozart)
    Haydée ou Le Secret (Auber)
    Dinorah (Meyerbeer)
    La Juive (Halévy)
    Clari (Halévy)
    Benvenuto Cellini (Berlioz)
    Béatrice et Bénédict (Berlioz)
    La Pietra del Paragone (Rossini)
    Armida (Rossini)
    Il Turco in Italia (Rossini)
    La Gazzetta (Rossini)
    Ermione (Rossini)
    Le Comte Ory (Rossini)
    Maria Stuarda (Donizetti)
    Lucrezia Borgia (Donizetti)
    Anna Bolena (Donizetti)
    La Favorita (Donizetti)
    Rita (Donizetti)
    Luisa Miller (Verdi)
    Martha (Flotow)
    Mefistofele (Boito)
    L'Etoile (Chabrier)
    Les Pêcheurs de Perles (Bizet)
    Khovanshchina (Mussorgsky)
    L'Amico Fritz (Mascagni)
    Il Tabarro (Puccini)
    Thaïs (Massenet)
    Die Frau ohne Schatten (Richard Strauss)
    From the House of the Dead (Janacek)
    The Makropulos Case (Janacek)
    Le Rossignol (Stravinsky)
    Die Tote Stadt (Korngold)
    The Rape of Lucretia (Britten)
    Betrothal in a Monastery (Prokofiev)
    Oedipe (Enesco)
    Dialogues des Carmelites (Poulenc)
    Powder Her Face (Adès)
    The Ghosts of Versailles (Corigliano)
    Doctor Atomic (Adams)
    Itinerário do Sal (Miguel Azguimes)
    The Minotaur (Birtwistle)
    Król Roger (Szymanowski)

    OK, 55 more.
    Here is how I composed this list of 55: only operas that I like very much. I do know that there are other important operas out there but I deliberately did not list the ones I don't like very much and aren't already in our Top 100 list. So, my 55 are indeed a nomination.

    For example so that you know what I mean: Britten's The Turn of the Screw. It's important, I recognize it. But I don't like it very much, so I didn't list it.

    Get it?

    Would you guys please write down a list as well? Keeping in mind that you should only list what you really like (i.e. a true nomination), not just merely remembering names of important operas that aren't in our top 100 list but you don't like very much?

    Like I said, I don't know yet what to do of the list of additional nominees, but we'll find a use for it (e.g., at the time of revising the top 100 list, or to make additional DVD recommendations, etc.)

    Oh, it's OK to overlap with my 55 (it would actually be useful, we could start to think of those that are nominated most often) but please pay attention to avoid repeating those that belong already to our top 100 list.

    Thank you in advance for your participation.
    Last edited by Almaviva; May-21-2011 at 11:33.
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    I know I'm always going on about Schoenberg, but I do think Erwartung deserved a place.

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    Definitely Castor et Pollux by Rameau and Die Gezeichneten by Schreker could've made the list. Also deserving of spots in my opinion were Busoni's masterpiece Doktor Faustus and Ligeti's gruesome but awesome Le Grande Macabre (one of the greatest operas of the late C20th, it's more horrifying than even Berg's two masterpieces).

    A notable one missing is Nixon in China by Adams, but frankly I've struggled just to get through a few minutes of that more than a couple of times now.

    Also, much, much more Handel.
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    Britten - Death in Venice.
    Und Morgen wird die Sonne wieder scheinen.....

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    My favorite obscure opera is The Wreckers, by Ethel Smyth. Probably obscure enough not to make it onto any list where it has to be nominated by multiple people, but it deserves to be better known--dramatically gripping, with awesome music.

    Less obscure operas that I really like that haven't been nominated yet: Britten! Turn of the Screw, A Midsummer Night's Dream, Billy Budd. And I second Death in Venice.

    I like Britten.

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    In addition (to the list Alma has mentioned above) :

    Agrippina (Handel)

    Prince Igor (Borodin)

    and

    Fedora (Giordano)

    But I think we should search for some which at least two visual media versions are available for voting.

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    Agree with several on your second list, Alma, including

    La Favorita
    Le Comte Ory
    Mefistofele
    Luisa Miller

    I'd like to see

    Don Quichotte (Massenet)
    L'amore dei tre re (Montemezzi)

    Mignon is already on the list (98)
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    And where is another thread, "non-notable operas that are listed in our TC 100 Most Recommended Operas"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air View Post
    Definitely Castor et Pollux by Rameau and Die Gezeichneten by Schreker could've made the list. Also deserving of spots in my opinion were Busoni's masterpiece Doktor Faustus and Ligeti's gruesome but awesome Le Grande Macabre (one of the greatest operas of the late C20th, it's more horrifying than even Berg's two masterpieces).

    A notable one missing is Nixon in China by Adams, but frankly I've struggled just to get through a few minutes of that more than a couple of times now.

    Also, much, much more Handel.
    In this case like I said let's not nominate Nixon in China; I thought of it as well but didn't list it because like you, I didn't like it, it's quite boring; Doctor Atomic is much better. I'm aiming for people to list what they really like, not just what they feel is important.

    Castor et Pollux didn't rock my boat (but it is dully nominated since you like it - I believe Natalie does as well). Absolutely, Die Gezeichneten is one that I should have remembered, I love it. Le Grand Macabre is in my UWP and I don't have Doktor Faust, good thought, I should get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis View Post
    And where is another thread, "non-notable operas that are listed in our TC 100 Most Recommended Operas"?
    You're welcome to start it, Aramis. I'd pick La Fanciulla del West as one that made it but in my opinion is not that good, although I respect the fact that others here like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sospiro View Post
    Mignon is already on the list (98)
    Oops, that's right, thanks for telling me. I have deleted Mignon and included one that I forgot to list, Król Roger.
    Last edited by Almaviva; May-20-2011 at 17:53.
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    Prokofiev' last operas: Semyon Kotko, Story of a Real Man, War & Peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxllxT View Post
    Prokofiev' last operas: Semyon Kotko, Story of a Real Man, War & Peace
    War and Peace is number 37.
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    Personally I think that Król Roger should be just above Bluebeard's Castle, wherever on this list the latter would be placed.

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    Easy. Just about all the other operas by Handel not listed.

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