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    Absolutely stunning last movement to his first symphony. The whole symphony is great, I enjoyed right off the bat. But that last movement is on another level. Wow!

    Does anyone have the Scriabin complete edition? How do you like it? I'm tempted

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    Every new recording of Prometheus is an event...

    https://youtu.be/U7gnGbz6H78

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    Thanks for sharing. I found it very disappointing to be honest. Simply too slow in the first half, disjointed overall and suddenly rushed at the very end. This performance lacks all the drive and focus that makes both Muti's and Jurowski's renditions so great.

    https://youtu.be/T4_k-iArvxM
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    I enjoyed the Jurovski interpretation quite a bit. They also did a nice job on the lighting.

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    "The Alexander Scriabin Companion: History, Performance, and Lore"

    New book on Scriabin that was recently published. I'm reading some fragments on Google Books right now. Seems like a very interesting read for Scriabin enthusiasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonata View Post
    Absolutely stunning last movement to his first symphony. The whole symphony is great, I enjoyed right off the bat. But that last movement is on another level. Wow!

    Does anyone have the Scriabin complete edition? How do you like it? I'm tempted
    I love this symphony aswell, its very beautiful. Iv'e seen some people online saying that it has not so great orchestration and that makes it less enjoyable for them. I have no idea what is good orchestration or not, but all i can think is "How does that make the piece less enjoyable for you?". I guess people have different perspectives on things. Do you think they could enjoy it if they were less judgemental or do you think no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by malvinrisan View Post
    I love this symphony aswell, its very beautiful. Iv'e seen some people online saying that it has not so great orchestration and that makes it less enjoyable for them. I have no idea what is good orchestration or not, but all i can think is "How does that make the piece less enjoyable for you?". I guess people have different perspectives on things. Do you think they could enjoy it if they were less judgemental or do you think no?
    I listened through all the Scriabin symphonies a little while ago, and in my opinion the first two symphonies tend to get messy in the orchestrations, after which Scriabin gets progressively better. However, the last movement of the 1st Symphony is a stand out and deserves to be singled out. There are some incredibly beautiful passages in there.
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    I like the 1st symphony, which I've heard live as well (along with the Poem of Ecstasy!), but I get some of the criticism. By the time he composed the Poem of Ecstasy (just 5-8 years later) he had really improved his orchestral writing, which wasn't bad to begin with.
    The first movement is as beautiful as a romantic opener could be, the 2nd to 4th movements are not bad but could've been better in my opinion. The symphony does start to drag in the middle movements, but the fifth movement makes up for most of that and I think it's pretty fantastic, including a very exciting ending. Of course, the last movement is just stunning and it was quite an experience to hear that live. It's the only time he composed something like that.
    The second symphony still feels quite similar in style. The third is a clear departure from the first two and I think is very imaginative and playful, but perhaps a little problematic in some ways (also some conductors tend to make it overly bombastic).
    Then, the Poem of Ecstasy and Prometheus: Poem of Fire. Well, those are just spectacular and radically different compared to his other orchestral works. They are quite similar to each other in ways. But it's those two pieces that make him immortal when it comes to orchestral works.
    Then there's the Mysterium... not a completion (because sadly, it was barely started), but more of a crude interpretation and realization of his music and ideas by another composer. I like it for what it is, but it's not true Scriabin. Supposedly the first part ("Universe") is the most authentic. Some themes were directly lifted from Scriabin's sketches. So that and Prometheus give the best idea of where he was going with his orchestral music. From the most intimate, tender, wonderful piano miniatures to maniacal earth-ending orchestral music, who else but Scriabin.
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    Okay, i agree with you. I enjoy the first symphony and i think it's worth listening too, but i don't love it as much as i love the Poem of Ecstasy and Prometheus. Thanks for your thoughtful response.
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    Somewhat surprised Garrick Ohlsson's name hasn't come up in this thread. I've been listening to his set of the sonatas today and was reminded of a wonderful all Scriabin recital I heard him give a few years back.

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    Has any scholars tried to reconstruct and finish his Mysterium project?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonata View Post
    Absolutely stunning last movement to his first symphony. The whole symphony is great, I enjoyed right off the bat. But that last movement is on another level. Wow!

    Does anyone have the Scriabin complete edition? How do you like it? I'm tempted
    I have this box and have enjoyed what I have heard so far. Recommended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cougarjuno View Post
    Has any scholars tried to reconstruct and finish his Mysterium project?
    Wikipedia tells us that:

    Alexander Nemtin spent 28 years reforming this sketch into a three-hour-long work, which was eventually recorded.

    Here's a review of the recording that was made of the reconstruction - conducted by none other that Vladimir Ashkenazy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepR View Post
    "The Alexander Scriabin Companion: History, Performance, and Lore"

    New book on Scriabin that was recently published. I'm reading some fragments on Google Books right now. Seems like a very interesting read for Scriabin enthusiasts.
    I'm interested; thanks for posting. But at £52 it may remain fragments with me
    Last edited by dogen; Dec-10-2017 at 00:52.
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