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    Quote Originally Posted by Mango View Post
    ...the evidence I have is unshakeable.
    I hope you're not referring to the manuscript which has the faint, almost imperceptible outline of the name "B.U. Moxart", found on a copy of the Symphony in D Major, Moxy 297. In my heretofore mentioned paper "The Luchesi Thunderstorm", I make clear that this is a copyist error, who for a brief moment in time, thought he was copying a symphony of "Moxart", when, in fact, he intended to copy an authentic symphony of Kappellmeister Andrea Luchesi. "Moxart", who is, in fact, an unknown, second-rate composer, could certainly not have composed Moxy 297, a work which can only have been written by the great Andrea Luchesi.

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    Symphonies: Moxy 297, 319, 338, 385, 425, 543, 550, 551
    Divertimenti: Moxy 136, 137, 138, 247, 251, 334
    Serenades: Moxy 185, 203, 204, 250, 320
    Piano Concerti: Moxy 271, 413, 414, 415, 449, 450, 451, 453, 456, 459, 466, 467, 482, 488, 491, 503, 595

    We look forward to seeing the evidence. Please tell us when you want to begin.

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    Robert, I was rebutting Mango. I was claiming those works for Luchesi.

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    Yes Leporello. I look forward to seeing how this unfolds.

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    For a detailed argument AGAINST Mozart having composed the 'Paris' Symphony KV297 I recommend that you -

    1. Read Prof. Taboga's 'Works Falsely Attributed to Haydn and Mozart'

    and also -

    2. Contact Professor Luca Bianchini and Professor Anna Trombetta of the website Italianopera.org

    These two musicologists have closely examined all the available musical versions of KV297 (including those at Regensburg with its original composer's name scratched out and that of Mozart substituted) as well as at Modena and elsewhere. Including the version published in Paris. They have also examined the supposed 'sketches' by Mozart for KV297. And they are familiar with the Mozart family correspondence from the time of KV297. They can provide detailed arguments against Mozart's authorship of this work.

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert newman View Post
    Yes Leporello. I look forward to seeing how this unfolds.
    It won't. It seems that Luchesi manufactures shoes and handbags and is currently engaged with G*cci in a battle being played out as an opera at La Scala, titled "Mozza di Rella Utilizza le mie Borse, Non la Vostra". Anna la Pasta sings the lead role Mme Lou Cheesy with Papa Vrotti, the tenor, on the Mozza side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robert newman View Post
    Yes Leporello. I look forward to seeing how this unfolds.
    MOXY

    Thank you for your and others' close interest in the work of this sadly overlooked musical genius of the late 18th century, as a result of the huge fraud and deception perpetrated by friends, family and the cynical backers of Luchesi at the time, and the relentless and continued myth-making by the Luchesi “Establishment” over the past two centuries.

    I aim, over the next 25-30 pages, to set out in full the horrific detail of this tale of fraud, deception and debauchery on a scale not since the closing days of the Roman Empire. I begin by giving a short biographical account of Bert Uri Moxart.

    Unfortunately, detail of Moxy's early childhood is somewhat murky owing to the fact that he was brought up in a Jesuit orphanage near Bonn, and all the records of the place were lost in a major fire in July 178O when the place burned down. Coincidentally, at that time, young Moxy moved to the close-by Bonn Chapel under the "direction" of Luchesi. Moxy's age is thought to be about 10 at the time, and was placed among the LvB student set. The highly capable young Moxy quickly established a glowing reputation for his outstanding abilities. Reliable anecdotal accounts handed down suggest that Moxy's main non-musical pastimes were squashing bugs and playing with firelighters. However, music was his utmost passion and he had mastered the cello and piano within 2 years. His early compositions were a model to all, and he would often be heard practising the cello in the early hours of the morning, much to the annoyance of fellow students.

    So good was his progress as a student that he was writing his first symphonies at the age of 12 (1782). The other students went wild with jealousy, as they were only playing around with very minor works, still learning the game. Moxy found instant favour with the top echelons of the Bonn Court, and it wasn’t long before this brilliant young talent was being exploited in order to protect and cover up the increasingly evident deficiencies of the Kapellmeister, whose personal problems by this stage had become a major embarrassment. I have already set out the full details elsewhere and I see no need to repeat myself here, as children may be viewing and I wish to be discreet in my descriptions.

    Jumping slightly forward in time to the end of 1791, the only account we a have of Moxy's last known activity was that he was a guest at the Jesuit-run Skiing Academy in Alpine Austria and that he failed to turn up after a day’s advanced runs. The mystery of his disappearance remains to this day, but poisoning by bitter rivals anxious to make a name for themselves - and to extricate themselves from the fiendishly clever contractual licence conditions Moxy had made them all sign limiting rights to 5 years - may have been a factor in the sinister death. However, no body was ever recovered. Forensic research on the charred remains of the ski resort's social centre is still in the process , but, as I said earlier, the North Koreans - who are taking the detailed research lead - are proving obstinate in allowing full access to the files at the present time.

    However, enough data has been released, and only a complete idiot would fail to see the obvious connections. The evidence of fakery is there to see in a file held in Peoples Central Library in Central Korea marked B.U.M/Luc/1781-1791. This refers to the indexation system in operation at the Bonn Chapel over the relevant period. Authenticated watermark evidence was obtained and corroborated by infra-red analysis, and rocket-age technology. The type of paper in question was not manufactured any more after 1790 owing to the fact that the Jesuit-owned factory in Bonn where it was produced actually burned down in that year, coincidentally, after a day-excursion visit by Moxy and a few of his musical colleagues from the Chapel earlier on the day of the visit.

    Please note new evidence is coming in all the time, and I am currently investigating a suspicion, referred to me by another member of this forum who wishes to remain silent, that it may be no coincidence that all of W A Mozart’s works and all of Beethoven’s Opus works sum roughly to 750, which is the number easily traceable to Moxy. This, I think you will agree that even more staggeringly interesting possibilities open up, and we could be on the verge of the biggest breakthrough ever in musical research. Not only Luchesi but also two other iconic names of the late Classical and early Romantic era could be further under the spotlight soon. Of course, I make no wild claims at this stage based on mere speculation. However, this forum could become world famous for the announcement of news on further important breakthroughs in this sphere.

    I will resume this story of deceit, bribery, and corruption - as we currently know it - very soon. The evidence is glaringly obvious of from whichever angle you view it. The huge controversy will continue to amaze you, and I trust what I have written above is succinct and directly answers all your questions thus far.


    Best regards
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    MOXY - TODAY'S POST


    In response to my previous posts, I have received huge support, through private messages, from fellow forum members wishing me well in my campaign to promote "Moxy" as the true brains behind the fake reputation of Luchesi.

    However, I have to be fair in pointing that I have received one long-winded questioning message which concluded:

    Quote Originally Posted by anon
    “So, you [expletive deleted] can you cut the cr..p and just gives us the evidence, or else go and “[expletive deleted] off”.
    I was flabbergasted at this post. I do wish people would not personalise the matter. However, my mission is too important to be be put off by such incidents, so I continue now to reveal further details on the scale of the unimaginable fraud and deception perpetrated by a cynical 18th century musical establishment and all the evil cover-ups since that time. The story is truly scandalous.

    Just to show you an example of the kind of devastating evidence I have, I provide below a recent e-mail from one of my co-workers in N Korea, Professor Kim Il Aitch Bom Fu, who is a leading expert on rocket research at the Pyonyang Academy of Advanced Research on Rocket Science & Nuclear Fuels” (for peaceful purposes). In his spare time he uses the Institute's resources to analyse the musical files relating to Moxy’s works which I referred to in my earlier post. Here is his last e-mail to me:

    Quote Originally Posted by Email from Professor Kim Il Aitch Bom Fu

    Dwar Elise

    How you. I fine. Look forward to big bang soon. Ameriocan pig-dogs get meassage we no pushover.

    Take one end of bord, nail big end upside, go to outer edge and glue all until tite.

    On big box of moosicc yu send me, we anlaise. Much good music. Moxy a genious. Luchesi big con man. No ploblems. Tested using rocket synthesier. No chance Luchesi any good. Big lies. Fakery oblious. Pleae send sample Beetuven moosik. We test too.

    Must fly. Hope yo like joke.

    Cheers.

    Kim

    P.S. Down wiv all USA impeerilistic warmongers. Long liv our Gloreus Repblik. We show em.
    I realise, of course, that Professor Kim's English is not quite up my standard, and I rather feel that some possibly extranous material from another factory plant may have inadvertently crept into the above. But I think it's clear what he is saying about the scientific musical evidence, namely that "Moxy" rules. I have lots more such e-mails, if you'd like to see.

    The evidence is clear-cut. We, the public, have been conned for two centuries on the fake achievements of this Luchesi, a dwarf of a composer. The controversy will very soon be fact.

    Keep watching for daily bulletins. I understand that NBC and the BBC are on the verge of a joint major TV documentary.
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    Op 67 writes that -

    'No one here believes in what he says about the 'Mozart-Luchesi-Controversy'. Even if it is true, it is apparent that this subject brings nothing more than flame wars to these forums. So why bother with the topic at all?

    Yes, 'EVEN IF IT IS TRUE'.

    But isn't this the problem ? The 'flame wars' are caused by those who would refuse to believe things even if they are true. Who have nothing to offer here but sarcasm and personalisations. 'EVEN IF THESE THINGS ARE TRUE'. Those, Op.67, are your own words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert newman View Post
    Op 67 writes that -

    'No one here believes in what he says about the 'Mozart-Luchesi-Controversy'. Even if it is true, it is apparent that this subject brings nothing more than flame wars to these forums. So why bother with the topic at all?

    Yes, 'EVEN IF IT IS TRUE'.

    But isn't this the problem ? The 'flame wars' are caused by those who would refuse to believe things even if they are true. Who have nothing to offer here but sarcasm and personalisations. 'EVEN IF THESE THINGS ARE TRUE'. Those, Op.67, are your own words.
    Thank you so much for your kind message of support. I agree that we must try not to personalise this issue. It is certainly not my intention to do so, and I will remain fully respectful of other people's right to question my arguments. I do understand how difficult some people may find accepting new ideas after having been brainwashed all their lives by the grossly deceitful, highly cynical establishment arguments used to support the myth of the greatness of Andrea Luchesi.

    Let me say that I do encourage the "Establishment" to field a candidate to defend its scandalously corrupt arguments. I would be delighted to debate my arguments here in public, and trust that the very decent management of this Forum will continue to fund it at their expense for at least another 9 months so that you all get the opportunity to benefit from my wisdom, and that of my distinguished co-workers in N Korea and Iran.

    The amount of fakery lurking behind the career of this 18th century Kapellmeister is an utter amazement. I mentioned what a liar Luchesi's wife was. She habitually lied and exaggerated and faked to save the skin of her miserable husband. I have a fishing licence application form, supposedly signed by Andrea Luchesi, but clearly this was a fake by her, as he was too probably drunk at the time. This is a shocking revelation. I would like to ask my critics if they deny this signature is a fake. Let them speak. They can see the faked signature at the Central People's Library, Pyonyang, N Korea. There is at present an 18 month wait for Entry Visa to N Korea, but it's a nice place to visit for a touism treat (if you are not a USA citizen).

    Let me make clear what I am saying. There has been fakery and deception galore, all the way through the 19th and 20th Centuries. Textbook after textbook has repeated errors and lies, lies and lies. It's a disgrace. The world is now waking up. Reason will prevail. The myth is about to explode and the day of reckoning will be exceedingly controversial.
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    Stop being childish Mango.
    "Handel understands effect better than any of us -- when he chooses, he strikes like a thunderbolt... though he often saunters, in the manner of his time, this is always something there."

    Mozart

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    You are asking a lot, Handel !

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    I don"t care if Mango criticize the Luchesi thesis. I don"t see any problem to that, but do it seriously.
    "Handel understands effect better than any of us -- when he chooses, he strikes like a thunderbolt... though he often saunters, in the manner of his time, this is always something there."

    Mozart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handel View Post
    I don"t care if Mango criticize the Luchesi thesis. I don"t see any problem to that, but do it seriously.
    I believe that the "Mozart and Mythology" thread, which started off in a rather ridiculous fashion, has since morphed into a more serious discussion. So you might want to head there for a more serious discussion and stay here for, well, the new controversy surrounding Luchesi authorship

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leporello87 View Post
    I believe that the "Mozart and Mythology" thread, which started off in a rather ridiculous fashion, has since morphed into a more serious discussion. So you might want to head there for a more serious discussion and stay here for, well, the new controversy surrounding Luchesi authorship


    My bad.
    "Handel understands effect better than any of us -- when he chooses, he strikes like a thunderbolt... though he often saunters, in the manner of his time, this is always something there."

    Mozart

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