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The Controversy over the true musical achievements of Andrea Luchesi

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The Controversy over the true musical achievements of Andrea Luchesi

A huge new controversy has hit the musical world like a whirlwind.

New evidence shows that little known Italian composer Andrea Luchesi, Kapellmeister of Bonn (between 1771 and 1794), was a secret alcoholic, wife beater, forger, and generally one of the biggest dick-head composers of the late 18th Century.

I would like to ask other Members if this marvellous Forum whether they aware of this amazing controversy. Yes, it's the major talking point across the musical salons of Europe. Forum after Forum is anxious for information on this devastating news. I may not be able to spend much more time with you.

Luchesi fans are up in arms and are astonished at new evidence that suggests that all or most of the music associated with the maestro was in all probability composed by the hitherto unknown student Bert Uri Moxart, known to his fellow students as "Moxy".

Having studied this subject myself, I've found this to be a hugely controversial area of research, and the truth has been suppressed by supporters of Luchesi. This evidence is based on painstaking analysis of surviving archive material, including manuscripts now at various libraries in Central North Korea and Iran. Members of this forum can, if they wish, ask me for further information and I will do my utmost to help answer all your questions.

The thesis is that the musical achievements of Luchesi are entirely fake, he being totally untrained in anything beyond first-year recorder, which he pinched from school. He was also a drunk and in constant need of drying-out. To exist he required a constant supply of works in order to sustain his reputation and to meet his onerous obligations as Kapellmeister. These facts have been concealed by the Luchesi establishment for years. Because of his job-for-life status, and the strict rules enforced by the Grand European Union of Kapellmeisters, he was unsackable.The amount of skulduggery is scandalous.

The said works were supplied by the brilliant Bonn student, Bert Uri Mozart. He was a fellow student of Ludwig van Beethoven and rumour is that the two got on very well. Unfortunately, Beethoven's personal notebook for this period has gone missing, so we have no actual record of the acquaintanceship. But this is a mere technicality as it is exceptionally unlikely that LvB would not have known about Moxy or have been unimpressed with Moxy's brilliance. We have some evidence, too, that Moxy could possibly have been the true composer of some early works attributed to Lvb. This most sensitive aspect is likely to be highly sensational once I have completed some further watermark analysis.

Now Bert Uri Moxart ("Moxy") was no slouch when it came to contracts. He was adamant at the outset that he would only compose for Luchesi on the basis of a licence that lasted for 5 years, after which all such works would return to its original rightful owner. As might expected, this factor in the dealings gave rise to some hair-raisingly complex transactions , and hence is a source of a big muddle in the paper work, but due to my clinically accurate analysis I am now able to reveal all.

The amount of fakery is a sight to be seen. The public image of Luchesi is about to be smashed. I can show Luchesi the con-man , the wife beater, the man who was utterly dependent on alcohol, and the drying out clinics run by the Jesuit Order. Yes, the Jesuits are involved too.

Unfortunately, records of "Moxy's" compositions are somewhat limited after 1791, as we have reason to believe he may have a had a nasty skiing accident. This aspect is still under very active research but we are currently having trouble in accessing the records, which the North Korean authorities are reluctant to release until the USA stops threatening to nuke them.

That these issues are based on documentary and other evidence is not in doubt. There are only one or two minor gaps in the evidence. The story is full of intrigue. The details I am now able to release - of late night drinking sessions, rollicking slap and tickle sessions, wife-beatings, gross composing deception - will provide true shock and awe. I am prepared to divulge further details if any members of this forum would be prepared to consider the case for such a viewpoint but know in advance that such things may be unacceptable to others. However, I assure you that these facts are sound and the entire musical world is talking about it.

I would like to issue a challenge to the Luchesi Establishment to come out and defend their fake hero.

Any nervous types among you are warned about the horrific things I am now able to reveal, which are hugely controversial.
 
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Thank you for your interest in this subject. I am more than happy to provide you with all the information you require in order to encourage conversation on the musical achievements of "Moxy", this being my aim.

The details I am able to release will amaze even the most ardent sceptic, and I do appreciate that there will be many such people about. I do not call them "crazy" because it is not their fault that they have fallen prey to centuries of Establishment fiction surrounding the complete and utter, and demostrable, fakery of this drunkard, charlaton of a third-rate composer.

I wish not to disappoint but to satisfy; and in abundance will I supply all the necessary evidence. But please note that I am currently on holiday in the Isle of Wight, and thus away from my detailed records at this moment of time. I also intend to await further comment and questions from any other interested parties.

Thank you so much.
 
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As to being banned from at least 57 forums, I am more than happy to ignore such provocation. My record is pristine.

My motive is genuinely to encourage conversation on the musical achievements of "Moxy", as opposed to that charlatan Luchesi, and to show to the very sensible majority on this Forum the folly of believing all (or any) of the nonsense put out by establishment figures.

I await any further stimulating questions and comment.
 
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HAHA...it's pretty late at night here and I was wondering you bought this up all over again, till I read the thread title and the first few lines once again. :D

Come on, give this topic a break! Mr.Newman should realise that no one here* believes in what he says about the 'Mozart-Luchesi-Controversy'. Even if it is true, it is apparent that this subject brings nothing more than flame wars to these forums. So why bother with the topic at all?

To the Luchesi-camp: Why not go public about this, so that the whole world gets to know that Mozart was a fake? Umpteen news channels are waiting like vultures to air trivial and controversial topics all the time. Moreover, there are probably millions out there who will believe you in a heartbeat.


*Forgive me if there are believers among the members.
 
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HAHA...it's pretty late at night here and I was wondering you bought this up all over again, till I read the thread title and the first few lines once again. :D

Come on, give this topic a break! Mr.Newman should realise that no one here* believes in what he says about the 'Mozart-Luchesi-Controversy'. Even if it is true, it is apparent that this subject brings nothing more than flame wars to these forums. So why bother with the topic at all?

To the Luchesi-camp: Why not go public about this, so that the whole world gets to know that Mozart was a fake? Umpteen news channels are waiting like vultures to air trivial and controversial topics all the time. Moreover, there are probably millions out there who will believe you in a heartbeat.

*Forgive me if there are believers among the members.
Dear Opus

I am glad that news of "Moxy" has so soon hit the east coast of India. However, I can only express surprise that you wish me to withdraw further exposure of this subject, and yet you remained silent in the face of an almost identical set of allegations concerning the situation of that other musical genius, W A Mozart.

Can you or others please let me know why you allowed Mr Newman to continue for so long (9 months) in his quite vicuious campaign denigrating the record of W A Mozart (and he is still making the same points in several threads on this Forum right now) while you are ready to ask me to cease at this very early juncture in regard to "Moxy". If I may say so, such an attitude would appear to be at least a little inconsisent.
 
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Very stupid.
 
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I will demonstrate to you - by evidence which is indisputable - that "Moxy" was the greatest composer the world has ever seen, or his case the world has never seen.

I have a list of works running from Moxy1 to Moxy 754 which cover the achievements of this great man.

I will show how the Jesuits, in cahoots with the King and Queen of Spain, conspired to protect the image of their protege, Luchesi, in an evil plot that involves scenes of expensive Dry-Out clinics on Lake Geneva, and the use of less than fully repectable "houses" in Paris for the purpose of bribing and cajoling.

I have watermark evidence galore.

I also have pretty concrete evidence that Luchesi's wife was a liar. She conspired to protect her husband's name after it appeared in a Swiss gossip column alleging he was there for alcohol de-toxing. She told lies that he was there purely on a fishing trip.

It is a tale of gross deceit and fakery the musical world will be astounded to hear further details of.

Thank you so much.
 
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Dear Mango,

That is a very interesting argument. I'm sure your personnal records are overflowing with proofs of what you expose here. It's unfortunate that you cannot provide us with such infinite knowledge.

What about Luchesi's most famous opera, Ademira? The most common hypothesis was that Moxy's authorship concerning this work was obscured by the plottings of the Persian Shah, Agha Mohammad Khan. Do you support this theory?
 
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Symphonies: Moxy 297, 319, 338, 385, 425, 543, 550, 551
Divertimenti: Moxy 136, 137, 138, 247, 251, 334
Serenades: Moxy 185, 203, 204, 250, 320
Piano Concerti: Moxy 271, 413, 414, 415, 449, 450, 451, 453, 456, 459, 466, 467, 482, 488, 491, 503, 595

We look forward to seeing the evidence. Please tell us when you want to begin.
 
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It won't. It seems that Luchesi manufactures shoes and handbags and is currently engaged with G*cci in a battle being played out as an opera at La Scala, titled "Mozza di Rella Utilizza le mie Borse, Non la Vostra". Anna la Pasta sings the lead role Mme Lou Cheesy with Papa Vrotti, the tenor, on the Mozza side.
 
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For a detailed argument AGAINST Mozart having composed the 'Paris' Symphony KV297 I recommend that you -

1. Read Prof. Taboga's 'Works Falsely Attributed to Haydn and Mozart'

and also -

2. Contact Professor Luca Bianchini and Professor Anna Trombetta of the website Italianopera.org

These two musicologists have closely examined all the available musical versions of KV297 (including those at Regensburg with its original composer's name scratched out and that of Mozart substituted) as well as at Modena and elsewhere. Including the version published in Paris. They have also examined the supposed 'sketches' by Mozart for KV297. And they are familiar with the Mozart family correspondence from the time of KV297. They can provide detailed arguments against Mozart's authorship of this work.

Regards
 
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MOXY - TODAY'S POST

In response to my previous posts, I have received huge support, through private messages, from fellow forum members wishing me well in my campaign to promote "Moxy" as the true brains behind the fake reputation of Luchesi.

However, I have to be fair in pointing that I have received one long-winded questioning message which concluded:

anon said:
"So, you [expletive deleted] can you cut the cr..p and just gives us the evidence, or else go and "[expletive deleted] off".
I was flabbergasted at this post. I do wish people would not personalise the matter. However, my mission is too important to be be put off by such incidents, so I continue now to reveal further details on the scale of the unimaginable fraud and deception perpetrated by a cynical 18th century musical establishment and all the evil cover-ups since that time. The story is truly scandalous.

Just to show you an example of the kind of devastating evidence I have, I provide below a recent e-mail from one of my co-workers in N Korea, Professor Kim Il Aitch Bom Fu, who is a leading expert on rocket research at the Pyonyang Academy of Advanced Research on Rocket Science & Nuclear Fuels" (for peaceful purposes). In his spare time he uses the Institute's resources to analyse the musical files relating to Moxy's works which I referred to in my earlier post. Here is his last e-mail to me:

Email from Professor Kim Il Aitch Bom Fu said:
Dwar Elise

How you. I fine. Look forward to big bang soon. Ameriocan pig-dogs get meassage we no pushover.

Take one end of bord, nail big end upside, go to outer edge and glue all until tite.

On big box of moosicc yu send me, we anlaise. Much good music. Moxy a genious. Luchesi big con man. No ploblems. Tested using rocket synthesier. No chance Luchesi any good. Big lies. Fakery oblious. Pleae send sample Beetuven moosik. We test too.

Must fly. Hope yo like joke.

Cheers.

Kim

P.S. Down wiv all USA impeerilistic warmongers. Long liv our Gloreus Repblik. We show em.
I realise, of course, that Professor Kim's English is not quite up my standard, and I rather feel that some possibly extranous material from another factory plant may have inadvertently crept into the above. But I think it's clear what he is saying about the scientific musical evidence, namely that "Moxy" rules. I have lots more such e-mails, if you'd like to see.

The evidence is clear-cut. We, the public, have been conned for two centuries on the fake achievements of this Luchesi, a dwarf of a composer. The controversy will very soon be fact.

Keep watching for daily bulletins. I understand that NBC and the BBC are on the verge of a joint major TV documentary.
 
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Op 67 writes that -

'No one here believes in what he says about the 'Mozart-Luchesi-Controversy'. Even if it is true, it is apparent that this subject brings nothing more than flame wars to these forums. So why bother with the topic at all?

Yes, 'EVEN IF IT IS TRUE'.

But isn't this the problem ? The 'flame wars' are caused by those who would refuse to believe things even if they are true. Who have nothing to offer here but sarcasm and personalisations. 'EVEN IF THESE THINGS ARE TRUE'. Those, Op.67, are your own words.
 
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Thank you so much for your kind message of support. I agree that we must try not to personalise this issue. It is certainly not my intention to do so, and I will remain fully respectful of other people's right to question my arguments. I do understand how difficult some people may find accepting new ideas after having been brainwashed all their lives by the grossly deceitful, highly cynical establishment arguments used to support the myth of the greatness of Andrea Luchesi.

Let me say that I do encourage the "Establishment" to field a candidate to defend its scandalously corrupt arguments. I would be delighted to debate my arguments here in public, and trust that the very decent management of this Forum will continue to fund it at their expense for at least another 9 months so that you all get the opportunity to benefit from my wisdom, and that of my distinguished co-workers in N Korea and Iran.

The amount of fakery lurking behind the career of this 18th century Kapellmeister is an utter amazement. I mentioned what a liar Luchesi's wife was. She habitually lied and exaggerated and faked to save the skin of her miserable husband. I have a fishing licence application form, supposedly signed by Andrea Luchesi, but clearly this was a fake by her, as he was too probably drunk at the time. This is a shocking revelation. I would like to ask my critics if they deny this signature is a fake. Let them speak. They can see the faked signature at the Central People's Library, Pyonyang, N Korea. There is at present an 18 month wait for Entry Visa to N Korea, but it's a nice place to visit for a touism treat (if you are not a USA citizen).

Let me make clear what I am saying. There has been fakery and deception galore, all the way through the 19th and 20th Centuries. Textbook after textbook has repeated errors and lies, lies and lies. It's a disgrace. The world is now waking up. Reason will prevail. The myth is about to explode and the day of reckoning will be exceedingly controversial.
 
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Stop being childish Mango.
 
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I don"t care if Mango criticize the Luchesi thesis. I don"t see any problem to that, but do it seriously.
 
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I believe that the "Mozart and Mythology" thread, which started off in a rather ridiculous fashion, has since morphed into a more serious discussion. So you might want to head there for a more serious discussion and stay here for, well, the new controversy surrounding Luchesi authorship :rolleyes: ;)
 
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You are not supported 99.999%. There aren't even 100000 members! And Mr Newman isn't talking completely unsubstantiated nonsense because we do know that some music originally attributed to Mozart has more recently been transferred to the correct composer. Even I know that and I'm not a Mozart fan. I dare say there will be more.

However, this will be my last message on this and related threads. I had hoped to learn something. I think Mr Newman has something worthwhile to say but I have to skim through your diatribes so subsequent posts make sense and sure, I get a laugh but it's a waste of time!

Maybe the moderators will see this. I don't specially want to leave the site as it's otherwise a nice place to talk about music.

No need to reply. I'm leaving this topic alone. If you hurl any abuse my way I'll drop a report to the mods and ask them to edit it out.
 
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I have never hurled any abuse at you. It's the other way round. It was your posts that were edited, and none of mine.

As regards the 99.99%, I was referring to the classical music population at large, not the small sample that dwells here. I though this point was quite clear.

You can do what you like about asking the Moderators to edit my posts. I can assure you that I have not once been asked by the Mod to moderate my posts. The only thing that has happened is that I was asked once not to respond to, or get too annoyed at, the abusive posts, I have received. I tried my best to do so but some of the rubbish was too much to listen to. I have responded in kind only when appropriate. So get a hold of that if you will.

I don't give in easily, as you will have discovered. The one thing in life that annoys me is dealing with charlatans.

Thank you so much, and I trust I will never hear from you again for all the use your input has been.
 
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I am not trying to be a saint. My view on this is wholly practical. If the arguments that Robert puts forth are rubbish and if he is "substantially wrong", as you put it, that will be abundantly clear when he posts whatever evidence he has, and then we can proceed on our merry way, having lost nothing except perhaps a little time.
 
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Has anyone besides Mr Newman read Taboga's paper? This man is truly mad. His only objective is to promote an "Italian agenda" in the history of music... His assertions are wild.
Dear Morigan

I promised a daily update. I continue the exposition of the absurdly positive reputation of the fake Luchesi at the expense of the super-brilliant, but grossly disfranchised, student Berti Uri Moxart ("Moxy"). This is tale of enormous deception and intrigue. The fakery revelations will astound you.

Earlier today I was sent an important e-mail from a colleague working on this project too, Professor Luigi Conamano who is currently on secondment to a top rated academic institution somewhere in Iran (I'm sworn to utter secrecy), who is an authority on jig-saw puzzles and mending broken false teeth.

Prof, Conamano has recently presented a paper to the Department of Mathematics at the said University on the the "Properties of Cumulant Generating Functions in Statitical Hypothesis Of Non-Parametric Distributions in the Field of Astrophysics". As part of his paper he turned at the end to present the following lucid account of his recent research into the likelihood that "Moxy", not Luchesi was the true composer of various high profile compositions allegedly composer by Andrea Luchesi. This is what he said:

E mail from Professor Conamano said:
Hi Elise

For the last two centuries the correctness of the attributions and the greatness of the Andrea Luchesi is thought to be confirmed by such nonsense and by forgeries that can be found, in more or less imaginative versions. I tella you from the bottoma my hart that logic excludes any odd hypothesis and ectoplasm. The ever-so-nica and very authentico Moxy, my favorite, diversified his production; he wrota many works for Lucehesi and wrota many nica works too for the Haydn too, mama mia. I say to you too that Schubert even though he only a tiny bambino knew that Luchesi wasa biga conman. I tell yoo too that Luchesi spent much time on the vino and his lady had mucho trouble getting him outa jail. I sincere too in saying Beethoven no flippin gooda without the longlasting benefit of Moxy his close student friend at Bonn. Is most clear I say ever-so-nice Moxy musica big shame gone in big encephalosclerosis problem. Not nica for mama. Gone no say Ciao. Not sure was skiing problem. Musical style of Moxy uniqa. Sounds not like Mozart. As we knew that the school style spreads like in a family, from master to pupils so Luchesi big con I say,

Byee

Conamano (Prof. L)
With evidence like this, do I need say any more? It all adds up to a pretty striking indictment of Luchesi, wouldn't you agree? The meaning is all pretty clear to me and hardly needs further clarification.

I told you the case was open and shut didn't I?

More will follow.

Thank you so much.
 
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