Thread: The Controversy over the true musical achievements of Andrea Luchesi

The Controversy over the true musical achievements of Andrea Luchesi


A huge new controversy has hit the musical world like a whirlwind.

New evidence shows that little known Italian composer Andrea Luchesi, Kapellmeister of Bonn (between 1771 and 1794), was a secret alcoholic, wife beater, forger, and generally one of the biggest dick-head composers of the late 18th Century.

I would like to ask other Members if this marvellous Forum whether they aware of this amazing controversy. Yes, it’s the major talking point across the musical salons of Europe. Forum after Forum is anxious for information on this devastating news. I may not be able to spend much more time with you.

Luchesi fans are up in arms and are astonished at new evidence that suggests that all or most of the music associated with the maestro was in all probability composed by the hitherto unknown student Bert Uri Moxart, known to his fellow students as "Moxy".

Having studied this subject myself, I've found this to be a hugely controversial area of research, and the truth has been suppressed by supporters of Luchesi. This evidence is based on painstaking analysis of surviving archive material, including manuscripts now at various libraries in Central North Korea and Iran. Members of this forum can, if they wish, ask me for further information and I will do my utmost to help answer all your questions.

The thesis is that the musical achievements of Luchesi are entirely fake, he being totally untrained in anything beyond first-year recorder, which he pinched from school. He was also a drunk and in constant need of drying-out. To exist he required a constant supply of works in order to sustain his reputation and to meet his onerous obligations as Kapellmeister. These facts have been concealed by the Luchesi establishment for years. Because of his job-for-life status, and the strict rules enforced by the Grand European Union of Kapellmeisters, he was unsackable.The amount of skulduggery is scandalous.

The said works were supplied by the brilliant Bonn student, Bert Uri Mozart. He was a fellow student of Ludwig van Beethoven and rumour is that the two got on very well. Unfortunately, Beethoven’s personal notebook for this period has gone missing, so we have no actual record of the acquaintanceship. But this is a mere technicality as it is exceptionally unlikely that LvB would not have known about Moxy or have been unimpressed with Moxy’s brilliance. We have some evidence, too, that Moxy could possibly have been the true composer of some early works attributed to Lvb. This most sensitive aspect is likely to be highly sensational once I have completed some further watermark analysis.

Now Bert Uri Moxart ("Moxy") was no slouch when it came to contracts. He was adamant at the outset that he would only compose for Luchesi on the basis of a licence that lasted for 5 years, after which all such works would return to its original rightful owner. As might expected, this factor in the dealings gave rise to some hair-raisingly complex transactions , and hence is a source of a big muddle in the paper work, but due to my clinically accurate analysis I am now able to reveal all.

The amount of fakery is a sight to be seen. The public image of Luchesi is about to be smashed. I can show Luchesi the con-man , the wife beater, the man who was utterly dependent on alcohol, and the drying out clinics run by the Jesuit Order. Yes, the Jesuits are involved too.

Unfortunately, records of “Moxy’s” compositions are somewhat limited after 1791, as we have reason to believe he may have a had a nasty skiing accident. This aspect is still under very active research but we are currently having trouble in accessing the records, which the North Korean authorities are reluctant to release until the USA stops threatening to nuke them.

That these issues are based on documentary and other evidence is not in doubt. There are only one or two minor gaps in the evidence. The story is full of intrigue. The details I am now able to release - of late night drinking sessions, rollicking slap and tickle sessions, wife-beatings, gross composing deception - will provide true shock and awe. I am prepared to divulge further details if any members of this forum would be prepared to consider the case for such a viewpoint but know in advance that such things may be unacceptable to others. However, I assure you that these facts are sound and the entire musical world is talking about it.

I would like to issue a challenge to the Luchesi Establishment to come out and defend their fake hero.

Any nervous types among you are warned about the horrific things I am now able to reveal, which are hugely controversial.

Very interesting. Which Luchesi works have been faked ? Please give us a list. Thanks.

Originally Posted by robert newman

Very interesting. Which Luchesi works have been faked ? Please give us a list. Thanks.

Thank you for your interest in this subject. I am more than happy to provide you with all the information you require in order to encourage conversation on the musical achievements of "Moxy", this being my aim.

The details I am able to release will amaze even the most ardent sceptic, and I do appreciate that there will be many such people about. I do not call them "crazy" because it is not their fault that they have fallen prey to centuries of Establishment fiction surrounding the complete and utter, and demostrable, fakery of this drunkard, charlaton of a third-rate composer.

I wish not to disappoint but to satisfy; and in abundance will I supply all the necessary evidence. But please note that I am currently on holiday in the Isle of Wight, and thus away from my detailed records at this moment of time. I also intend to await further comment and questions from any other interested parties.

Thank you so much.

May I warn You, Mango?
You have been already banned from at least 57 forums, because of this thesis. As a matter of fact, you are stubborn.

HAHA...it's pretty late at night here and I was wondering you bought this up all over again, till I read the thread title and the first few lines once again.

Come on, give this topic a break! Mr.Newman should realise that no one here* believes in what he says about the 'Mozart-Luchesi-Controversy'. Even if it is true, it is apparent that this subject brings nothing more than flame wars to these forums. So why bother with the topic at all?

To the Luchesi-camp: Why not go public about this, so that the whole world gets to know that Mozart was a fake? Umpteen news channels are waiting like vultures to air trivial and controversial topics all the time. Moreover, there are probably millions out there who will believe you in a heartbeat.


*Forgive me if there are believers among the members.

Originally Posted by The Purple Wasp

May I warn You, Mango?
You have been already banned from at least 57 forums, because of this thesis. As a matter of fact, you are stubborn.

As to being banned from at least 57 forums, I am more than happy to ignore such provocation. My record is pristine.

My motive is genuinely to encourage conversation on the musical achievements of "Moxy", as opposed to that charlatan Luchesi, and to show to the very sensible majority on this Forum the folly of believing all (or any) of the nonsense put out by establishment figures.

I await any further stimulating questions and comment.

Very stupid.

Mango, you are a ray of sunshine.

Oh my God, this is priceless. Way to go Mango! ROFL

Originally Posted by opus67

HAHA...it's pretty late at night here and I was wondering you bought this up all over again, till I read the thread title and the first few lines once again.

Come on, give this topic a break! Mr.Newman should realise that no one here* believes in what he says about the 'Mozart-Luchesi-Controversy'. Even if it is true, it is apparent that this subject brings nothing more than flame wars to these forums. So why bother with the topic at all?

To the Luchesi-camp: Why not go public about this, so that the whole world gets to know that Mozart was a fake? Umpteen news channels are waiting like vultures to air trivial and controversial topics all the time. Moreover, there are probably millions out there who will believe you in a heartbeat.


*Forgive me if there are believers among the members.

Dear Opus

I am glad that news of "Moxy" has so soon hit the east coast of India. However, I can only express surprise that you wish me to withdraw further exposure of this subject, and yet you remained silent in the face of an almost identical set of allegations concerning the situation of that other musical genius, W A Mozart.

Can you or others please let me know why you allowed Mr Newman to continue for so long (9 months) in his quite vicuious campaign denigrating the record of W A Mozart (and he is still making the same points in several threads on this Forum right now) while you are ready to ask me to cease at this very early juncture in regard to "Moxy". If I may say so, such an attitude would appear to be at least a little inconsisent.

Originally Posted by Mango

Dear Opus

I am glad that news of "Moxy" has so soon hit the east coast of India. However, I can only express surprise that you wish me to withdraw further exposure of this subject, and yet you remained silent in the face of an almost identical set of allegations concerning the situation of that other musical genius, W A Mozart.

Can you or others please let me know why you allowed Mr Newman to continue for so long (9 months) in his quite vicuious campaign denigrating the record of W A Mozart (and he is still making the same points in several threads on this Forum right now) while you are ready to ask me to cease at this very early juncture in regard to "Moxy". If I may say so, such an attitude would appear to be at least a little inconsisent.

You're good at this.

Dear Mango,

That is a very interesting argument. I'm sure your personnal records are overflowing with proofs of what you expose here. It's unfortunate that you cannot provide us with such infinite knowledge.

What about Luchesi's most famous opera, Ademira? The most common hypothesis was that Moxy's authorship concerning this work was obscured by the plottings of the Persian Shah, Agha Mohammad Khan. Do you support this theory?

Originally Posted by Morigan

Oh my God, this is priceless. Way to go Mango! ROFL

I will demonstrate to you - by evidence which is indisputable - that "Moxy" was the greatest composer the world has ever seen, or his case the world has never seen.

I have a list of works running from Moxy1 to Moxy 754 which cover the achievements of this great man.

I will show how the Jesuits, in cahoots with the King and Queen of Spain, conspired to protect the image of their protege, Luchesi, in an evil plot that involves scenes of expensive Dry-Out clinics on Lake Geneva, and the use of less than fully repectable "houses" in Paris for the purpose of bribing and cajoling.

I have watermark evidence galore.

I also have pretty concrete evidence that Luchesi's wife was a liar. She conspired to protect her husband's name after it appeared in a Swiss gossip column alleging he was there for alcohol de-toxing. She told lies that he was there purely on a fishing trip.

It is a tale of gross deceit and fakery the musical world will be astounded to hear further details of.

Thank you so much.

Originally Posted by Mango

I have a list of works running from Moxy1 to Moxy 754 which cover the achievements of this great man.

I have watermark evidence galore.

Mango, this is extremely misleading. Did you read my widely-published paper, "The Luchesi Thunderstorm", which can be found in almost any reputable music journal? In that paper, I clearly prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that many, many works in your so-called Moxy catalogue are, in fact, genuine compositions of Andrea Luchesi. Your watermark evidence is not correct, because it is entirely based on the sloppy research of a certain author, Lobbins Randon, frequently known for making up completely undocumented "facts."

These works, which must certainly be registered to Luchesi, include the following:

Symphonies: Moxy 297, 319, 338, 385, 425, 543, 550, 551
Divertimenti: Moxy 136, 137, 138, 247, 251, 334
Serenades: Moxy 185, 203, 204, 250, 320
Piano Concerti: Moxy 271, 413, 414, 415, 449, 450, 451, 453, 456, 459, 466, 467, 482, 488, 491, 503, 595

It was once thought that the piano concerto Moxy 537 was also a composition of Andrea Luchesi, but new evidence reveals this is actually a composition of Luchesi's sister... whose name is also Andrea.

Please set your facts straight. Your claims about Moxy obviously do not hold water. Thanks again.

Originally Posted by Leporello87

Please set your facts straight. Your claims about Moxy obviously do not hold water. Thanks again.

The simple truth is that on issue after issue the iconic status of Luchesi is found to be built on quicksand. I have evidence that no composer has been so grossly exaggerated and falsified as Luchesi, and that no composer has been the object of such sustained fakery, falsehood and outright fantasy. Such things are plain fact and it's a fact that can be proved from many approaches. I intend to deal with your specific questions in due course, but rest assured the evidence I have is unshakeable.

Thank you.