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    Welcome to the TC Top 100+ Orchestral List!

    This is a continuation of a series of the TC Top Recommended Lists project (which the previous ones can all be seen here). General discussion of the project can be found in the TC Lists thread.

    Here is a brief outline of the project:

    - The TalkClassical members with a wide variety of interests and experiences can reach a consensus on the top works from a variety of musical forms.
    - This process should lead to some interesting debate and discussion regarding these various specialized areas of music.
    - These lists may be used as reference points for both newcomers and long-time classical listeners to the world of classical music and to specific areas of classical music as defined by these lists.
    Note: These lists are not definitive or official by any means and please do not interpret them as such.

    Those of us who run this project understand and respect the fact that not all of us enjoy lists and polls, but we ask that you refrain from criticisms here in respect for those of us who do.


    Round 0 - Pre-Nomination Discussion

    Before the nomination rounds begin, let's first start with comments, questions, and suggestions. We would like everyone to contribute to this process as all of your opinions are valuable to the end result of this forum recommended list and it is also an effective way to gauge expected participation for the remainder of the project.

    We must agree on the requirements for works to be nominated. Here are the proposed requirements:

    - Any pieces that are unambiguously for orchestra are allowed.
    - Tone poems are allowed.
    - Overtures are allowed only if it is not part of a larger work (i.e. opera overtures are not allowed).
    - Ballets and incidental music for staged works are allowed.
    - Works for string orchestra are allowed.
    - Works for chamber orchestra are allowed.
    - Works for military band are allowed.
    - Concerti grossi are allowed (which includes the Brandenburg Concertos).
    - Concertos featuring the orchestra are allowed (e.g. Martinu's Double Concerto and Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra).
    - Orchestral arrangements are allowed only if they were arranged by the same composer that composed the work in its original form.
    - Film scores are not allowed.
    - Sinfonias and sinfoniettas are not allowed for being too closely resembled to symphonies.
    - Works must have enough musicians to distinguish it from a chamber work (possibly must have more than 10 performers considering that was the cut-off for the chamber list). Ensembles do not have to be strictly orchestral so long as it meets this requirement (e.g. Mozart's Gran Partita). A general consensus shall determine any works that have ambiguity.
    - Works must not be categorized as a concerto, symphony, or choral work from a previous list in order to qualify.


    Please feel free to comment on these requirements as they are not set in stone. Also the length of the list is usually determined by the interest and participation of TC members. If we reach 100 works, and enough people wish to continue, we can extend the number past 100 (hence the "100+").

    Suggestions for works can be found here and here, however the works on those lists must still meet the above requirements to be eligible.

    The first round should start in a couple of days once the qualifications are solidified and everyone has had enough time to listen and brainstorm their selections.

    And finally, all participants are welcome to join! Please don't hesitate to ask questions and let the fun begin!
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    Those criteria look fine to me, but I'm confused about ballets. You say:

    Any pieces that are unambiguously for orchestra are allowed so long as they are not part of a larger work, such as an opera, ballet, etc.

    Ballets and incidental music for staged works are allowed.

    Could you give examples of what you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trout View Post
    And finally, all participants are welcome to join! Please don't hesitate to ask questions and let the fun begin!
    Are you certain that ALL members are welcome?

    I had been making contributions to the "Modern Classical Music Project" thread until my posts began to be deflected into a queue awaiting approval from administration. This, in effect, prevented my contributions from appearing in the thread in a timely fashion - thus, any works newly suggested by me, or any of my votes were on "hold" until many subsequent posts had already affected the listings in progress.

    Can we be assured that this will not happen again to me (or any other member) if we wish to contribute to this thread on top 100+ orchestral works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmsbls View Post
    Those criteria look fine to me, but I'm confused about ballets. You say:

    Any pieces that are unambiguously for orchestra are allowed so long as they are not part of a larger work, such as an opera, ballet, etc.

    Ballets and incidental music for staged works are allowed.

    Could you give examples of what you mean?
    I just wanted to make sure that individual orchestral parts of larger works which may not fit the qualifications were excluded, though I can see the confusion in my wording.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromides View Post
    Are you certain that ALL members are welcome?

    I had been making contributions to the "Modern Classical Music Project" thread until my posts began to be deflected into a queue awaiting approval from administration. This, in effect, prevented my contributions from appearing in the thread in a timely fashion - thus, any works newly suggested by me, or any of my votes were on "hold" until many subsequent posts had already affected the listings in progress.

    Can we be assured that this will not happen again to me (or any other member) if we wish to contribute to this thread on top 100+ orchestral works?
    If this is a problem, you can always PM me your vote and I will post it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trout View Post
    If this is a problem, you can always PM me your vote and I will post it here.
    Thank you, Trout, for your offer to assist.

    To let you know, I have already communicated with this site's adminstration. This may take up to 2 weeks for resolution, though, I've been informed...

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    I don't mean to say this prematurely, but I am not sure if there would be enough participation to start this project (though it could just be a lull in forum activity at the moment). Is anyone else interested in participating?

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    I want to join, but for the next week ill be on a sailing boat.
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    What?!


    I hate to speak for anyone but I'm sure PJang, Lisztian, tdc and the rest of the gang is just waiting for the 'Go!'. I'm sure they just haven't responded, like me, because there are no questions and are probably writing up their lists! Let's get this thing going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kv466 View Post
    What?!


    I hate to speak for anyone but I'm sure PJang, Lisztian, tdc and the rest of the gang is just waiting for the 'Go!'. I'm sure they just haven't responded, like me, because there are no questions and are probably writing up their lists! Let's get this thing going.
    Haha. In all honesty the last few projects like this I've thought to myself - 'surely I don't have the time to dedicate to this one', but as the project starts rolling I usually can't resist and I join in. So, in short yes I most likely will end up participating if its a 'Go!'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kv466 View Post
    What?!


    I hate to speak for anyone but I'm sure PJang, Lisztian, tdc and the rest of the gang is just waiting for the 'Go!'. I'm sure they just haven't responded, like me, because there are no questions and are probably writing up their lists! Let's get this thing going.
    Thanks, though I was just waiting for further confirmation on the qualifications and/or discussion on possible nominations. If everyone seems content, then I shall proceed with the first round tomorrow.

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    Question, would something like "Silent Woods" for Cello and Orchestra count? (Dvořák B. 182)

    It is structured like a concerto, but is not called one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyll View Post
    Question, would something like "Silent Woods" for Cello and Orchestra count? (Dvořák B. 182)

    It is structured like a concerto, but is not called one.
    Allmusic lists it as a concerto, so unfortunately, I don't think it is note eligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trout View Post
    Allmusic lists it as a concerto, so unfortunately, I don't think it is note eligible.
    No problem, that's why I asked. I will use their list as a reference then.

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    Ok, next question...

    Brahms Tragic Overture and Beethoven's Egmont Overture would both be allowed because:

    1. Tragic is not an overture to anything in particular &
    2. Egmont is an overture to a play, not an opera or other musical piece.

    Correct?

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