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    What are some piano works that use counterpoint?

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    there are lots.
    First, define counterpoint. I personally think counterpoint begins when there are at least two different phrases at the same time, period. So there is counterpoint in Haydn's and Mozart's piano works.
    To some people, music is contrapuntal only when there are some kind of imitation (canon or fugue)...

    Anyway, famous examples (I assume that by piano you meant "from 1750 to today", so I won't include Sweelinck's fantasia or Bach's WTC):

    Beethoven, Hammerklavier, the fugue section in the last movement
    Liszt, Sonata in B-minor
    Franck, the Fugue from the Prelude, Choral and Fugue


    There are also Reicha's 36 fugues, who are quite a curiosity. I remember one with repeated notes as a subject, which sounded very avant-garde.

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    The second one (n18)
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    Take any of Godowsky, that crazy Lithuanian. Any work. He wrote counter voices all the time. You'll need a very powerful left hand to play his works.

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    What are some piano works that don't use counterpoint?
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    Try the beginning (and main) melody of this sonata. Left hand and right hand bounce off of each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klavierspieler View Post
    What are some piano works that don't use counterpoint?
    Here's one.

    http://youtu.be/HiwPzHJ-Pic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petwhac View Post
    Actually, that does use simple counterpoint. There are four separate voices moving at different times.
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    It woul be difficult to compose a piece devoid of counterpoint with several voices anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComposerOfAvantGarde View Post
    It woul be difficult to compose a piece devoid of counterpoint with several voices anyway.
    Early Organum ftw.
    Last edited by Klavierspieler; Jun-02-2012 at 03:47.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klavierspieler View Post
    Early Organum ftw.
    That's still a melody against a melody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComposerOfAvantGarde View Post
    That's still a melody against a melody.
    Not really, they're doing exactly the same thing, just separated by an interval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klavierspieler View Post
    Not really, they're doing exactly the same thing, just separated by an interval.
    That's still a melody against a melody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klavierspieler View Post
    Actually, that does use simple counterpoint. There are four separate voices moving at different times.
    No, that is not counterpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petwhac View Post
    No, that is not counterpoint.
    There is a little bit of counterpoint in that Chopin prelude that you posted.

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