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    Default Rank the Classical Era Composers

    Hope I didn't forget anyone.

    Beethoven
    Boccherini
    CPE Bach
    Clementi
    Giuliiani
    Haydn
    Hummel
    J.C Bach
    M. Haydn
    Mozart
    Sallieri
    Sor
    Stamitz
    W.F Bach
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    There were many, many more. But to answer your thread literally, out of those listed, I would rank as follows:-

    Mozart
    Beethoven
    Franz Joseph Haydn
    Michael Haydn
    CPE Bach
    Johann Christian Bach
    Hummel
    Boccherini
    Clementi
    Carl Stamitz (presumably you meant Carl)
    Mauro Giuliani
    Salieri
    Fernando Sor
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    Beethoven
    F.J.Haydn
    Mozart
    Boccherini

    Others are unknown to me.

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    I need to know more about the lesser Classical Composers. Right my list would be...
    CPE Bach
    Beethoven
    Boccherini
    Haydn
    Mozart
    Giuliani
    Hummel

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    Mozart
    Beethoven
    Haydn
    CPE Bach
    J.C Bach
    Hummel
    M. Haydn
    Clementi
    Boccherini
    W.F Bach
    Sallieri
    Giuliiani
    Sor
    Stamitz

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoshredder View Post
    Hope I didn't forget anyone.

    Beethoven
    Boccherini
    CPE Bach
    Clementi
    Giuliiani
    Haydn
    Hummel
    J.C Bach
    M. Haydn
    Mozart
    Sallieri
    Sor
    Stamitz
    W.F Bach
    Which Mozart? and what, no Francesco Zappa? :P (Also, thanks for not putting Schubert in there :3)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurningDesire View Post
    Which Mozart? and what, no Francesco Zappa? :P (Also, thanks for not putting Schubert in there :3)
    The overrated Mozart of course.

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    My list would look something like this:

    W.A. Mozart
    L.v. Beethoven
    Joseph Haydn
    C.W. Gluck
    Gaetano Donizetti
    Gioachino Rossini
    Luigi Boccherini
    Carl Maria von Weber
    Johann Nepomuk Hummel
    Johann Christian Bach
    Giovanni Pergolesi
    Giovanni Paisiello
    C.P.E. Bach
    Luigi Cherubini
    Michael Haydn
    Franz Anton Hoffmeister
    Louis Spohr


    Donizetti, Rossini, Paganini, Weber, Hummel, and certainly Beethoven all all clearly transitional figures leading from Classicism to Romanticism... but they are still listed under "Classical Era Composers". The absence of Gluck in all the above lists is absolutely egregious, and cause for member HarpsichordConcerto to be stripped of his Jedi-Master status and forced to return his secret decoder ring... at least until he has taken 6 credit hours of continuing education courses on Alceste, Paride ed Elena, Iphigénie en Aulide, Iphigénie en Tauride, Orfeo ed Euridice and Orphée et Euridice.

    Beyond the above composers, I am somewhat less familiar with the following... having heard perhaps a few works or a disc or two by each:

    Joseph Martin Kraus
    Carl Stamitz
    Franz Krommer
    François-Joseph Gossec
    Josef Mysliveček
    Carl Ditters von Dittersdorf
    Domenico Cimarosa
    Muzio Clementi
    Paul Wranitzky
    Ignaz Pleyel
    Johann Ladislaus Dussek
    Anton Reicha
    Wilhelm Friedemann Bach
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    Two really obscure fellows I like a lot are

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Kozeluch

    and

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri-Joseph_Rigel

    In my opinion, HC's list puts Michael Haydn too high,
    Clementi(should be above Boccherini) too low, and CPE Bach one too low. I have not heard Michael Haydn's vocal music which is said to be sublime, but his symphonies are less than his brother's, easily. Other than that, I agree with his list.

    Composers like Salieri, are considerably less interesting than almost anyone else on the list. I put Dittersdorf above Salieri, easily. Probably competent for his time, but some of it is just weak.
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    Ranked in order of coolest names:

    Carl Ditters von Dittersdorf
    Domenico Cimarosa
    Luigi Cherubini
    Josef Mysliveček
    Johann Nepomuk Hummel
    Luigi Boccherini
    Paul Wranitzky
    C.W. Gluck
    Gaetano Donizetti
    Gioachino Rossini
    Giovanni Paisiello
    Franz Anton Hoffmeister
    Carl Stamitz
    François-Joseph Gossec
    Muzio Clementi
    Ignaz Pleyel
    Johann Ladislaus Dussek
    Anton Reicha

    I don't know much about their music, but it certainly was the Golden Age of names.

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    CPE Bach
    JC Bach
    WF Bach
    Haydn
    Beethoven
    Schubert
    Soler
    Salieri
    Rossini
    Giuliani
    Weber
    Dittersdorf
    Sor
    Boccherini
    Gluck
    Gossec
    Cherubini
    Stamitz
    M. Haydn
    Clementi
    Mozart
    Paganini
    Donizetti
    L. Mozart
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    1. Beethoven



    8. Mozart
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoshredder View Post
    Hope I didn't forget anyone.

    Beethoven
    Boccherini
    CPE Bach
    Clementi
    Giuliiani
    Haydn
    Hummel
    J.C Bach
    M. Haydn
    Mozart
    Sallieri
    Sor
    Stamitz
    W.F Bach
    Too many important names are missing from this list to make your question meaningful:

    Cherubini
    Cimarosa (only the most successful opera composer of his (ie 'Classical') time!)
    Kraus (the 'Swedish Mozart')
    Krommer
    Myslíveček
    Reicha
    Wesley (Samuel - the 'English Mozart')

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    Kraus is the most underrated composer ever: the immensely dramatic C sharp minor symphony and Symphonie Funebre, with the elegant lyrism of the concertante symphony for violin in C major are easily among the best works of the 18th century in my opinion. Clementi is just another italian forgotten glory, and Cherubini too (I don't really like the latter's oeuvre, though). I think that Beethoven's best works were written in his mature style, which - I believe - is too peculiar to be defined as "classical", so I'm not putting him on my list:
    Mozart
    Haydn
    Kraus
    Clementi
    Gluck
    CPE Bach

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