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    Sounds like an interesting project. Perhaps the piece should have a limit in its length?

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    I believe there already is a limit, or more of a guideline, of five minutes.
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    Sorry for what is bound to be a lengthy and time-consuming post.

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    Quite so, Crudblud.

    Quote Originally Posted by PetrB View Post
    If it does not have a score it is 'an improvisation,' with which there is nothing wrong, but it is then an improvised piece, not, technically a composed piece. The most avant garde of composers are used to producing scores, though the scores themselves may be non-conventional notation.
    @PetrB. Your opinions vis-a-vis scores are noted, however it is worth bearing in mind the method of judgement. We are not judging this via a set of hopefully intelligent and learned panel of judges, but rather setting the entries before all the members of TC in what will hopefully be a fun contest. Most members of TC are not going to take the time to look at scores even if they can read them.

    By this method of judgement, certain matters are perhaps neglected, more academic ones, but the quality of the music as heard (which is surely more important) is as judged by the members of TC. What's more, there are several further points to consider: non-standard notation, which, being non-standard, few people will be able to read, making the posting of the score pointless: pedantic rule-spotting, some members are bound to find a parallel fifth and instantly ban the piece from their considerations. The most important point is that this is music as judged as sound, without caring a jot for what the score looks like. My score, in the process of composition, has many ugly marks written on it so that it will sound nicer when played as a midi file. I could hide them if I wanted, but that's beside the point.

    On improvisation, if someone can improvise a piece better than someone else can compose it then bully for them, and they could easily write it down just afterwards anyway to make it 'proper'.

    Quote Originally Posted by PetrB View Post
    Two weeks is a ridiculously short time for anyone to compose anything, including 'just a short little piano piece.' The fact many members have very full academic / work obligations and are not 'just sitting at home with inspiration, a pen, and score paper' should be considered.
    That is a reasonable point. I was thinking if this will be a monthly contest then obviously people will, in future, have a month to write the piece, provided we know what piece is to be submitted, for This is only a piano piece, and an introduction, so the time is shorter. It also gets things going in a time in which many people have holidays. Besides, it is an optional contest, but I for one am glad to write a piano piece, because it is a piano piece written, even if it is for this competition, and is thus another composition under my belt. Amateurs, professionals, and aspiring professionals alike can use the experience, fun and after all it is another composition written, whether it is for the contest or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by PetrB View Post
    Naming a form is pretty much 'over': naming a length requirement, minimum - maximum running time, is common and expected. Instrument, instrumentation is also a common parameter of composition contests.

    Whatever 'style' people are composing in 'classical' vs. something else -- if it is written now or lately -- is contemporary, and the music has to stand on its own in a competition, or it is not a real 'competition.'
    Great, but style isn't really an issue. As for form, whether using it is 'over', again it is not really an issue. Perhaps it may be in the future, in which case your opinions are noted.

    Quote Originally Posted by PetrB View Post
    I would naturally expect a score. I would hope enough people can at least play their funky spinet, upright piano (or some one's funky real piano) and record the piece on that vs. the bloodless flat-line dead quantize and tinny / rubbery sounds of midi piano, the cheesy squeaks of Garriton, etc.

    But, people have what they have. I would think a recording of a piece on an acoustic instrument(s) would have a much greater edge over an equally good piece rendered in cheesy midi samples, and that is a very real factor to take into consideration.
    The midi thing is an issue. However, if in future we do something for a full orchestra (just hypothetically), I think we may run into problems on this score (pun intended).

    Quote Originally Posted by Klavierspieler View Post
    This is something I was worried about. I had an idea, though. If anyone wants to, they can send their score to me and I will try to play it for them, provided it isn't too difficult.
    Thanks for the kind offer Klavierspieler. This is something we're really going to need an agreement on, because as I've said, this only really applies to this round, and perhaps some others for very small forces, barring some exceptions. In some sense it makes sense to only allow computer-sounds, because someone on a real instrument will have a very real advantage. Even then, there are computer-sounds and computer-sounds. I do think there needs to be some consensus on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by PetrB View Post
    It is likely there may need to be one competition to further demonstrate their ought to be some other 'fair' categorical divisions: the forum has neophyte conservatory students writing near model academic 'classical' music, amateurs whose works are much more fluent and 'advanced' than conservatory student work, and everything beyond, behind and in between. The variety of fare and variety of competence might be a wild flux of discrepancies, and scream a need for 'categorization' by level of ability.
    Perhaps this may be necessary, but I hope not. So far there are about 10 people interested, and subdividing this is going to be pointless. Still this is a good thought which we should bear in mind for the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by PetrB View Post
    Whatever comes of it, I am at the least curious and most looking forward to hear / see what others have made.
    I am glad to hear it. I'm sorry if I seem negative above, it's just that this competition is really about having some fun, getting together and perhaps learning from others as well. I hope to see you doing some pro judging .

    Now.

    Lacking any opinions on the matter, it is probably best that we say there be no descriptions on the Youtube videos.

    On the voting process, I think it would be a good idea if composers are not allowed to vote for their own works. This helps keep things honest and pleasant.

    Unfortunately, I am unable to post the voting thread on Saturday. I am on holiday and have a limited amount of internet access, and posting a series of links to Youtube videos simply isn't going to work on it. I will be able to make it on Sunday 2nd of September/Monday the 3rd. So either I can make it then, or someone else can make it on the Friday/Saturday if they want to.

    We are also going to need to decide what the rules for the next competition are going to be. It could be string quartet/orchestra/lied/solo instrument (non-keyboard, like violin) or many other things. I even thought we could try doing things like canons or fugues, although this causes more problems. This is not an urgent matter, but we also need to figure if we are going to pick these things by consensus or some other method.
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    double post
    Last edited by Ramako; Aug-25-2012 at 20:58.

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    Are we gonna use that piano sound simulator i linked? It sounds way better than normal midi piano+ everyone can use it.
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    I already have a couple of sampled pianos, so I won't.
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    The piano sound I have to work with isn't bad, so probably not.

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    The piano I have is very nice, so definitely not.
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    My piece is ready for upload now. I worked really hard on it. I just need the account details for the upload.
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    Can i post my piece on the 1st day of September, i am not even halfway yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jani View Post
    Can i post my piece on the 1st day of September, i am not even halfway yet.
    Sure . Unless someone else wants to do the thread posting etc., which no one has volunteered yet, then the judging thread will be posted on the 2nd of September, meaning the 1st is open. Quite convenient.

    BTW passwords will be coming just as soon as I can remember the username

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramako View Post
    BTW passwords will be coming just as soon as I can remember the username
    I guess it's just as well that scores are optional, seeing how you forget to write things down.
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    I made a new username...

    TCcomposerscompetition2012

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    Anyone who I haven't sent it to who I should, scream.

    Anyone who I have sent it to who I shouldn't, sorry.

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    Thanks for the password. What do you think, should we upload our pieces from now on or would it be better to wait until the deadline?
    BTW: Youtube says that I can not upload. First a channel must be created. Do you do that?

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