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    I have merged the 3 Alma threads into this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isorhythm View Post
    No, Art. This is just wrong. We may never know if you actually believe it or not, but it's wrong.
    I do believe there is professional (or artistic) envy. She has composed her own works, had these pieces premiered with full professional orchestras, gained publicity and success given her level of experience as an artist. She is experiencing relative success, more so than much older trained musicians and composers.

    My simple question is: do you support her and her music? I have never been given a straight, simple answer from many. As far as I am concerned, that is a clear signal of envy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    I do believe there is professional (or artistic) envy. She has composed her own works, had these pieces premiered with full professional orchestras, gained publicity and success given her level of experience as an artist. She is experiencing relative success, more so than much older trained musicians and composers.

    My simple question is: do you support her and her music? I have never been given a straight, simple answer from many. As far as I am concerned, that is a clear signal of envy.
    What do you mean by support her and her music? I wish her all success. She never did anything to me, after all.

    If you mean, would I choose to listen to the music she has written so far, at the age of 11 or whatever - then no. But I bet you wouldn't either. This is about something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    I do believe there is professional (or artistic) envy. She has composed her own works, had these pieces premiered with full professional orchestras, gained publicity and success given her level of experience as an artist. She is experiencing relative success, more so than much older trained musicians and composers.

    My simple question is: do you support her and her music? I have never been given a straight, simple answer from many. As far as I am concerned, that is a clear signal of envy.
    I doubt any of us know whether some composers might envy her, but given human nature, I suspect there may be some unheralded composers who resent the minor succcess she's had. I doubt any of those composers would want to write similar works.

    I think we all would generally support her in becoming an accomplished composer. I think the vast majority of us would hope she continues to enjoy writing music. I'm not sure what you mean by supporting her music. I think most of us hope she eventually begins to write music that explores newer styles to find her own voice. I don't imagine many of us would ever wish to buy works or attend concerts of the works she has written. Of course, that's not really a negative comment. She has not matured as a composer yet. How could she yet at her age?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    My simple question is: do you support her and her music? I have never been given a straight, simple answer from many. As far as I am concerned, that is a clear signal of envy.
    So anyone who doesn't answer your question about supporting a totalitarian regime, responsible for genocide, secretly envies their power and position? I saw numerous responses to you original thread. I saw a large amount of indifference. I saw a good deal of people who argued, "Let's wait and see." I saw a few who would follow her career with anticipation. I saw a few who had never heard of her. What I didn't see was anyone toeing the line of envy, whether openly or seemingly closeted. Here's my simple answer. I take child prodigies with a grain of salt. Michelle Wie, Jennifer Capriati, Freddy Adu, or Alma Deutscher - Let them stand the test of time. Some will. Some haven't. Some are total busts. And no amount of someone wanting miss AD to be the 21st century, female Bach will make them so. Me? I'd never heard of her until your original thread. After watching embedded videos, I can say I'd rather watch Mumford & Sons open for a Bay City Rollers reunion concert than another of her works.
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    Nobody "supports" a musician or composer. "Support" I associate with a sport fan. Or a bra. The use of the word in this context betrays it is about a position, not about music.

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    Mozart reincarnated!

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    I refuse to be seen anywhere near this pathetic pseudo-discussion.

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    Me too, I don't want to be associated in any shape or form with dumb discussion topics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dim7 View Post
    Me too, I don't want to be associated in any shape or form with dumb discussion topics.
    Well, now we have something to discuss.

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    Careful everybody. An earlier thread on little Alma ran 756 posts before the mods shut it down...

    It's really Lord of the Flies around here sometimes.


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    The British girl is being described as ‘Little Miss Mozart’[by who?], not only because of her precocious talents, but because of her inspirations, namely: “Mozart, Schubert and Tchaikovsky - the composers of the most beautiful melodies ever written.”[citation needed]
    Fixed that for ya.

    And are they quoting Art at the end there?

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    Has anyone interviewed Alma personally to see whether she dislikes modernist music? Or maybe she doesn't know what direction she is headed into yet?
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    At age ten? With an already busy concert schedule?

    I don't see how she can have been exposed to much or any. Let alone have any context or basis for saying if she likes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonNZ View Post
    At age ten? With an already busy concert schedule?

    I don't see how she can have been exposed to much or any. Let alone have any context or basis for saying if she likes it.
    She probably loves Glazunov.

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