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    Quote Originally Posted by TalkingHead View Post
    So, MB, did you go? What did you think?
    Or did you pass on AD and opt for this instead:
    http://www.ojaifestival.org/festival...ival-schedule/




    "A phantasmagorical acoustic and theatrical journey through a lifetime of Pierre Boulez’s musical adventures, innovations, and discoveries. Performed within an extraordinary set designed by Frank Gehry, this multimedia event will mix live performance with archival footage and new interviews with Boulez."


    It sounds serious. Should I dress suitably appropriate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TalkingHead View Post
    So, MB, did you go? What did you think?
    Or did you pass on AD and opt for this instead: http://www.ojaifestival.org/festival...ival-schedule/
    Oh man that looks good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marschallin Blair View Post




    "A phantasmagorical acoustic and theatrical journey through a lifetime of Pierre Boulez’s musical adventures, innovations, and discoveries. Performed within an extraordinary set designed by Frank Gehry, this multimedia event will mix live performance with archival footage and new interviews with Boulez."


    It sounds serious. Should I dress suitably appropriate?
    Dress appropriately? I always dress down for anything serious (apart from job interviews). Just take your brain and ears, that should suffice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalkingHead View Post
    Dress appropriately? I always dress down for anything serious (apart from job interviews). Just take your brain and ears, that should suffice.
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    Getting us back on topic...

    It's only the first movement

    Last edited by sadams; Aug-24-2015 at 19:28.

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    Young Alma is truly gifted - a performer and composer, she exemplifies what contemporary classical music culture should be for it to be relevant to listeners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht View Post
    Her last name is Deutscher, translated as "German". Germans have music in their blood.
    "Germans have music in their blood." Please refrain from making such crass generalizations for they lead to abhorrent consequences. I am sure your intention had been good. And you certainly did not mean your remark to convey any prejudicial sentiments but pray take caution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    Young Alma is truly gifted - a performer and composer, she exemplifies what contemporary classical music culture should be for it to be relevant to listeners.
    If you are correct, the future of classical music is doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht View Post
    Her last name is Deutscher, translated as "German". Germans have music in their blood.

    While Deutscher might translate as "German" Alma herself is not German but English and Israeli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    If you are correct, the future of classical music is doomed.
    I very much doubt that. Her newly composed music is very accessible and would encourage all classical music lovers of say Mozart to Mendelssohn to want to have more of newly composed music today. Miss Alma Deutscher should stretch her imagination to compose as much as she can. It's been centuries since gifted prodigies have appeared in the new music scene.

    An excellent article that gives a balanced view on child prodigy, and yes - nothing has changed for centuries, it was exactly how the boy Amadeus Mozart was treated (outright rejection and or suspicion):-

    http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/201...le-miss-mozart
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    I very much doubt that. Her newly composed music is very accessible and would encourage all classical music lovers of say Mozart to Mendelssohn to want to have more of newly composed music today. Miss Alma Deutscher should stretch her imagination to compose as much as she can. It's been centuries since gifted prodigies have appeared in the new music scene.

    An excellent article that gives a balanced view on child prodigy, and yes - nothing has changed for centuries, it was exactly how the boy Amadeus Mozart was treated (outright rejection and or suspicion):-

    http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/201...le-miss-mozart
    Still, though, it's worth pointing out that when Mozart was being feted as a prodigy, his supporters weren't saying "I would encourage all music lovers of say Rore to Sweelinck to want to have more of newly composed music today".
    I don't object to her writing old-fashioned music, or to people liking her music, but you can see why some are dismissive of her being touted as a composer of "new" music ahead of all the composers of much-newer-sounding music, can't you?
    See the results of my polls: most-liked composers and most-liked works.

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    I can see why composers writing "much-newer-sounding music" feel threatened by young Alma's popularity - she is writing the type of music that most classical music listeners want. It might well be based on older models, but so what? There is nothing wrong with that. We should not be boxed in a corner thinking that any newly composed music that is not "newer-sounding" is backwards. This is pure prejudice on the music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    feel threatened
    Evidence for this assertion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    Young Alma is truly gifted - a performer and composer, she exemplifies what contemporary classical music culture should be for it to be relevant to listeners.
    I wish success for Alma, but if I was trying to make classical music more "relevant" I would probably compose some kind of pop/rock/filmscore influenced semi-classical music, rather than write directly in a Classicist style.
    Last edited by Dim7; Aug-25-2015 at 15:29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    I can see why composers writing "much-newer-sounding music" feel threatened by young Alma's popularity - she is writing the type of music that most classical music listeners want. It might well be based on older models, but so what? There is nothing wrong with that. We should not be boxed in a corner thinking that any newly composed music that is not "newer-sounding" is backwards. This is pure prejudice on the music.
    To reiterate: I don't think there's anything wrong with her writing this music, or with her being popular.

    I also don't think composers "feel threatened" by her popularity (unless they're especially insecure people).

    My complaint is about how some of Alma's supporters - yourself, for instance - try to "sell" her, as some sort of role model for today's composers. Your quote above: "she exemplifies what contemporary classical music culture should be for it to be relevant to listeners". I'm sorry, but this is nonsense and shows little clue about what's actually going in music today. There's shed-loads of new music being written nowadays that doesn't rely on 200-year-old models but still manages to be "relevant" or "accessible" or whatever ill-defined euphemism you want to use for "stuff I like". By holding up Alma Deutscher as how things "should be", you're doing a disservice to pretty much every other living composer (and most of those who've been dead for a hundred years).

    Go ahead and like her music - I'm happy you've found some new music you like! But claiming Alma Deutscher is the future of classical music is about as welcome as waving some sliced bread in my face and exclaiming "this is the best thing since sliced bread!"
    See the results of my polls: most-liked composers and most-liked works.

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