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    Just read about this young girl (7) from Britain, who has composed a opera for a full string orchestra.

    Here is the story

    Her piano sonata

    rondo for violin

    This is maybe the craziest thing i have seen.

    If this is true... Seems true... i dunno.. im in shock
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    Her last name is Deutscher, translated as "German". Germans have music in their blood.
    ... yet for us will still remain the holy German art... (Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg)
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    Wo die dunklen Tannen ragen,
    Bäche rauschen, Vögel singen,
    Und die stolzen Wolken jagen.
    Heinrich Heine

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    They do. Still amazing though.
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    So talented ! And what a little cutie ! She's adorable !

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    Default Alma Deutscher

    You are young and composed a few pieces. I would like to see where your direction in your work goes when you get older.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma_Deutscher

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    Let's just add this to the already existing other two threads on Alma Deutscher, where others have said similar to your post, as well as many other things :-)
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    I don't know how to respond to all the hoopla concerning Ms. Deutscher.

    There are many young composer prodigies out there. I do not understand what makes her so special other than she has a good public relations manager.

    Once a year the orchestra I perform with has a youth concert. We have an arrangement with the Northern Virginia Music Teachers Association. Every year they submit to us music compositions that have been composed by their students. The range of ages can be anywhere from 8 to 18. Most are about the same age as Ms. Deutscher. Most of the compositions are piano works that we orchestrate and premier. Some of them are quite good.

    About fifteen years ago we premiered an amazing string trio that was composed by a ten year old girl. Although it was not atonal it was still contemporary sounding.

    Last year we performed a real way out jazz type piano piece composed by a ten year old boy.

    Over the years we have performed many works in a variety of styles by some very talented young people.

    I am sure that if she had different teachers her style would be a little more adventurous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arpeggio View Post
    There are many young composer prodigies out there. I do not understand what makes her so special other than she has a good public relations manager.
    Was there something else special?

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    ^^^
    I do not know. I am just a dumb amateur musician. What I was trying to say was based on my experiences I have run into many talented young composers. I just remembered a few years ago we premiered a small symphony that was composed and orchestrated by a young boy who was just a few years older than her. I was guessing that Ms. Deutscher's acclaim may be result of her exposure. I will let the members who know more than I do determine if my observations are accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanb View Post
    Was there something else special?
    She is genuinely charming, pretty much, it seems, herself, she is undeniably cute, and she presents very well indeed. A public relations dream who needs next to no coaching.

    Too, if you are the parents of such a child, and realize the enormity of the now and later cumulative costs of getting the child the teachers and tutors s/he needs and should have, then that local teacher at $12.50 a half an hour will not do. I.e. there is no waiting or postponing the fact her training should be with the best, and that is going to be more like $120 per hour per teacher, even where there are greater in place funded programs to teach music.

    It would be naive for people to think highly qualified and well-paid professionals are just going to throw themselves at this child and teach her gratis, because as Arpeggio has pointed out, the musically precocious child is not as great a rarity as many seem to think.

    In the summer after I had completed fifth grade, I gained admission, via an audition recording, to a highly demanding summer music camp. My audition tape was Chopin's Scherzo in Bb minor, the first movement of Beethoven's Pathetique sonata, etc. When I arrived there, I was, out of several thousand campers, 'average.' There was a seven year-old boy who won concerto competitions that summer playing Mendelssohn's Capriccio for piano and orchestra, another junior division girl, age five, who won and performed a Mozart piano concerto (all three movements, of course) and other instrumentalists of similar age that advanced.

    This level of ability / accomplishment in young people, especially it seems in music, is just not that rare. Also very well-known within the classical community is just how many of these exceptional young people end up with nothing to say, and nothing special, in their performances or their compositions, and many just burn out. This is so well known that the tendency is (or at least used to be) to not make much of them publicly until they are well into their teens and are exhibiting hallmarks of really fine musicians, i.e. you heard about these kids only locally, not on national or international news circuits.

    NPR has a weekly show, hosted by Christopher O'Reilly, which is nothing but the young and younger seriously precocious young performers, I think all from the United States. A child, age five or six, performing Liszt piano works at an 'amazing level' is not so very unusual to find on this show. Ergo, the wondering by a few of us aware of all this at the tremendous flap about 'one more of the same' and moreover, 'one more of the same' who is barely proven to be of real interest -- yet.
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    Guys.

    In the words of the great 21st-century composers Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez:

    "Let it go".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nereffid View Post
    Guys.

    In the words of the great 21st-century composers Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez:

    "Let it go".

    Let the flap over her go, and its gone. Really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrB View Post
    Let the flap over her go, and its gone. Really.
    Exactly. Nobody here cared to point out such things about Deutscher until various masters of implicit content decided to appoint a standard classical era pastiche as the redemption of contemporary music. End the worthless cause, see no more effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nereffid View Post
    Guys.

    In the words of the great 21st-century composers Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez:

    "Let it go".

    Or better yet:


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    I wish good luck to young Ms. Deutscher, and may she one day become a fine, talented, hard-working and thoughtful musician, living up to her last name
    ... yet for us will still remain the holy German art... (Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg)
    ***
    Auf die Berge will ich steigen,
    Wo die dunklen Tannen ragen,
    Bäche rauschen, Vögel singen,
    Und die stolzen Wolken jagen.
    Heinrich Heine

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