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    Default An Odd Photograph of Wagner

    http://www.amazon.com/In-Search-Wagn..._rhf_ee_s_cp_1

    The photo of Wagner shown on this book has always looked peculiar to me and I have never been able to find out anything about it. It hardly looks like Wagner at all, though I realize that, assuming it is in fact Wagner, he must be quite young here. The bone structure of the face looks much softer here than in other pictures of Wagner, especially in the jaw. Does anyone have any information as to the dating and context of this picture?

    I have also seen it written that this photo taken in 1860 is the earliest. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...aris,_1861.jpg

    Yet the man depicted on the aforementioned book cover looks a bit younger. And look at the difference in the prominence of the chin.
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    It looks like Wagner to me.

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    Yep, Wagner.
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    Fine, but when was it taken?
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    I was a little taken aback - it looked more like a younger Cesar Franck to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elgars ghost View Post
    I was a little taken aback - it looked more like a younger Cesar Franck to me.
    Haha, I knew I wasn't alone. I think the portrait is also much more attractive than those usually seen of Wagner in which he looks terribly austere. This man looks quite handsome here.
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    I love seeing pictures of 1800s people. They are close enough in history to be photographed, but are yet so far back that it is mysteriously amazing to realize that someone we usually only read in textbooks and see in paintings had existed physically, in the same world that we live in now, having the same emotions and desires and such. It's even more amazing to go back further and time, and realize that people like Plato and Aristotle aren't just spirits that protrude over Western Civilization, but were actually REAL people who lived and ate and thought and such.

    Yeah, this is Wagner though.
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    It is by Nadar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadar_%28photographer%29

    http://www.tablada.unam.mx/archivovi.../i122-640.html
    http://www.myspace.com/histoiredeparis/photos/27210519

    There's a discussion about it here http://humanities.music.composers.wa...t-wagner-is-it

    This book about Nadar mentions in the footnotes "an unknown man once thought to be Richard Wagner" http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=n...wagner&f=false

    Certainly doesn't look like Wagner to me.
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    Many thanks! I was starting to think I was just about the only one who noticed. Isn't it strange that a scholarly publisher would choose an illegitimate photograph for their cover? What an embarrassing thing! Yes, I keep looking at the picture and it just isn't right. Wagner had a much more sharply defined, aquiline profile. Good find!

    I also saw this photo used in a video discussion about Wagner. I told my girlfriend it couldn't be Wagner and she thought I was crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    It looks like Wagner to me.
    I don't know if I agree with either of you two. It looks different than him somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clavichorder View Post
    I don't know if I agree with either of you two. It looks different than him somehow.
    It isn't Wagner, see quack's post above.

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    That's not wagner

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    Here are some pics of Wagner at about that age. About the only things lake look like Wagner are the beard and receeding hair line.Richard_Wagner1.jpgRichard+Wagner.pngRichard+Wagner+Wagner_Paris_1867_1.jpg
    Besides, the clothes are far too plain for a man with Wagners tastes

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    Quote Originally Posted by clavichorder View Post
    I don't know if I agree with either of you two. It looks different than him somehow.
    lol still looks like Wagner to me, even with the comparative pictures provided by Dr. P. BUT I have never been visually perceptive, which is why I'm a musician.

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    http://www.notablebiographies.com/im...10_img0707.jpg

    Look at Wagner's profile. There's no way this other man could have that profile.

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