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Thread: Sonata no. 8 op. 13 "pathetique" (Ludwig van Beethoven)

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    Default Sonata no. 8 op. 13 "pathetique" (Ludwig van Beethoven)

    I first listened to it on my electric keyboard (all 3 movements) and it was so far the 2nd to best song (there's no such as first :/) I've ever heard.

    My 2nd most liked to 2nd least liked movements are listed:

    2: first movement
    3: second movement
    4: third movement

    which surprisingly is in the order they are presented. The part where towards the end of the repeat when the allegro speed is introduced in the first movement is my favorite, the right hand moving up and the left hand moving down.

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    I never really found it in my heart to enjoy the last movement very much.

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    It's not a song.

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    "This well-written sonata is called Pathetique with justification, since it certainly has a passionate character. The A-flat major Adagio, which should never be played in a dragging style, is filled with beautifully-flowing melodiousness and also with modulation and good movement. The soul is wrapped in calm and comfort. From this it is re-awakened by the Rondo's first Allegro note, so that the main feeling on which the sonata is based is carried through. This gives the sonata unity and inner life and thus real aesthetic value.
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    It is known that the Viennese public shows much enthusiasm for music and warmly supports it. It must be pleased that it can call many excellent artists their own. Herr van Beethoven is one of these, and we hope that he will enrich us with many more products of his genius and diligence."

    AMZ, 1800

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    Hah, welcome to the exciting world of the Beethoven Piano sonatas...

    I would like to be there to watch your face when you first hear another of the more famous sonatas, his Op. 53, "Waldstein"
    ... Here it is, played on a piano from Beethoven's era - a 'period instrument'
    Ronald Brautigam, Pianoforte
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFfkY-VYc8s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy-4OhBvSvo
    final 3rd movement.... (ad on link alert)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Ut2...feature=relmfu

    Enjoy.

    at a varied (slower) tempo, by a master musician, Claudio Arrau, piano
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL0JL...eature=related
    Last edited by PetrB; Nov-27-2012 at 08:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrB View Post
    Hah, welcome to the exciting world of the Beethoven Piano sonatas...

    I would like to be there to watch your face when you first hear another of the more famous sonatas, his Op. 53, "Waldstein"
    ... Here it is, played on a piano from Beethoven's era - a 'period instrument'
    Ronald Brautigam, Pianoforte
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFfkY-VYc8s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy-4OhBvSvo
    final 3rd movement.... (ad on link alert)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Ut2...feature=relmfu

    Enjoy.

    at a varied (slower) tempo, by a master musician, Claudio Arrau, piano
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL0JL...eature=related
    Thanks for posting that "Waldstein". Phew what a tempo! It's a piece I must have heard hundreds of times but with each interpretation something new is brought out in it. The fertility of the guy's imagination (LvB's) is astounding.
    I will be checking out more Brautigam versions.

    To Nivmizzet, many more gems await you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrB View Post
    Hah, welcome to the exciting world of the Beethoven Piano sonatas...

    I would like to be there to watch your face when you first hear another of the more famous sonatas, his Op. 53, "Waldstein"
    ... Here it is, played on a piano from Beethoven's era - a 'period instrument'
    Ronald Brautigam, Pianoforte
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFfkY-VYc8s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy-4OhBvSvo
    final 3rd movement.... (ad on link alert)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Ut2...feature=relmfu

    Enjoy.

    at a varied (slower) tempo, by a master musician, Claudio Arrau, piano
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL0JL...eature=related
    Brautigam and Mustonen seem to have complimentary imaginations. In recent years their interpretations, while both deviating from 'central', take interesting paths. I can represent them graphically as the outer tines of a hayfork, modified to have sloping 'shoulders'.

    Experience teaches you to recognize a mistake when you've made it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    It's not a song.
    I realize that I fail on that part. It was a derp of my own.

    Quote Originally Posted by ComposerOfAvantGarde View Post
    I never really found it in my heart to enjoy the last movement very much.
    Indeed. I don't like the 3rd movement as much, it's just not as good as the first or 2nd.

    Quote Originally Posted by PetrB View Post
    Hah, welcome to the exciting world of the Beethoven Piano sonatas...

    I would like to be there to watch your face when you first hear another of the more famous sonatas, his Op. 53, "Waldstein"
    ... Here it is, played on a piano from Beethoven's era - a 'period instrument'
    Ronald Brautigam, Pianoforte
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFfkY-VYc8s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy-4OhBvSvo
    final 3rd movement.... (ad on link alert)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Ut2...feature=relmfu

    Enjoy.

    at a varied (slower) tempo, by a master musician, Claudio Arrau, piano
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL0JL...eature=related
    As much as I would like to listen to them, unfortunately, youtube is blocked by a proxy at my house. Could you give me the names for the compositions?

    edit: just realized they might be all the same piece...
    Sorry about that.
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    It's nice but I prefer 'Waldstein' sonata.

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    Great sonata. I'm learning the second and third movement at the moment

    I do prefer Waldstein and No7 (d major).
    “I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.”
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    Waldstein is my favourite too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComposerOfAvantGarde View Post
    I never really found it in my heart to enjoy the last movement very much.
    Perhaps you've been hearing like this:



    And not like this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    It's not a song.
    Isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran View Post
    Isn't it?
    It is in my church!

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    And if you haven't had enough . . .

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