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    Yep, I find the romances a little dull too but Wellington's Victory is plain boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Rock View Post
    I love the Beethoven VC, but I rank Mendelssohn, Brahms, Tchaikovsky and Bruch 1 higher. Beethoven comes in on par with Sibelius and Moeran.

    I agree with the comments on the romances.
    The Bruch higher than the Beethoven? Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    Yep, I find the romances a little dull too but Wellington's Victory is plain boring.
    Yeah, but if you were actually there during the battle, you may have found the real Wellington's Victory exciting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hpowders View Post
    Yeah, but if you were actually there during the battle, you may have found the real Wellington's Victory exciting!
    Not if you were French.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoFlutesOneTrumpet View Post
    Not if you were French.
    I'm glad the British won. I like the sound of Beef Wellington much better than Beef Brigitte.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hpowders View Post
    I'm glad the British won. I like the sound of Beef Wellington much better than Beef Brigitte.
    Yet we have Napoleon cake. Seems like Wellington's victory wasn't all that decisive for the British after all

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    Remember Wellington's army was not alone. It was a coalition of seven countries and general Von Blücher (prussian) played an important role in the victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lluissineu View Post
    Remember Wellington's army was not alone. It was a coalition of seven countries and general Von Blücher (prussian) played an important role in the victory.
    Someone who knows history.
    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    "Mahatma Gandhi"

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    One problem in interpreting the Beethoven violin Concerto has been the tempo of the first movement. Beethoven marks it Allegro Ma non troppo - i.e. Quick but not too quick - but over the years a certain reverence built up for the work which meant that the tempo in many performances was more andante. Heifetz was one of those who saw that Beethoven's tempo was a lot faster then was usually the case in performance and he was often accused of turning down the spirituality of the work whereas in fact at faster tempo the drama of the work comes out - important in Beethoven.

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    I prefer the more reverential slower tempo taken in the first movement.

    I feel Heifetz and Rosand are too fast.

    Francescatti, Pine, Repin and a ton of others get it right.

    The great first movement has inherent dignity and nobility about it which are glossed over when the tempo is too fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hpowders View Post
    I prefer the more reverential slower tempo taken in the first movement.

    I feel Heifetz and Rosand are too fast.

    Francescatti, Pine, Repin and a ton of others get it right.

    The great first movement has inherent dignity and nobility about it which are glossed over when the tempo is too fast.
    I do as well prefer a slower tempo. I like Perlman/Giulini, with a beautiful sound. Today I bought Heifetz/mitropoulos, along with other cd's, including Dvorak's new World Symphony by Karel Ancerl (must say it was a second hand auction I came across this morning, in front of my office).

    By the way, has someone listened to the piano transcription of the violin concerto?. I have a recording with D. Barenboim. must tell the truth, I don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lluissineu View Post
    I do as well prefer a slower tempo. I like Perlman/Giulini, with a beautiful sound. Today I bought Heifetz/mitropoulos, along with other cd's, including Dvorak's new World Symphony by Karel Ancerl (must say it was a second hand auction I came across this morning, in front of my office).

    By the way, has someone listened to the piano transcription of the violin concerto?. I have a recording with D. Barenboim. must tell the truth, I don't like it.
    I agree, I don't like it either. The violin concerto is a masterpiece, but the piano transcription is disappointing.

    Beethoven didn't make much of an effort to rearrange the notes for the piano--he basically just gave the violin part to the right hand, and added a few (uninteresting) chords for the left hand. Such a shame (but on the other hand, it's reassuring to see that even a genius like Beethoven wasn't inspired all the time...it makes me feel better about my own failings. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by lluissineu View Post
    I do as well prefer a slower tempo. I like Perlman/Giulini, with a beautiful sound. Today I bought Heifetz/mitropoulos, along with other cd's, including Dvorak's new World Symphony by Karel Ancerl (must say it was a second hand auction I came across this morning, in front of my office).

    By the way, has someone listened to the piano transcription of the violin concerto?. I have a recording with D. Barenboim. must tell the truth, I don't like it.
    The piano concerto is a let down.

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    As for the Violin Concerto, common sense trumps tempo markings.

    The opening timpani beats sound so much more dignified played deliberately than fast as in Heifetz/Munch. Munch being a great conductor, I blame the speed up on Heifetz.

    Once the proper tempo for the timpani has been established, that dignified deliberate tempo gets incorporated for the entire work.
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