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    I'm a huge Mahler fan, mostly due to the sheer epicness of his scale. It always feels like something monumental has just occurred after I finish one of his symphonies.

    Is anything by him quick and lively? Presto? Vivace? even Allegro? :S
    That's not really the point with Mahler. His music is more about subtlety and gradual building than quickness and excitement.
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    Ive always enjoyed Mahler's music so much that....I just don't understand why someone like Stravinsky would state that his music "...wasn't music...". I like Stravinsky too. A totally different style, yes, but to claim that it isn't music is a bit much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddhaBandit View Post
    I'm a huge Mahler fan, mostly due to the sheer epicness of his scale. It always feels like something monumental has just occurred after I finish one of his symphonies.
    Then, you might be interested in Bruckner also, just a thought.

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    I don't see why people say Mahler is an acquired taste. I only really started listening to classical music this summer, and a fast favourite of mine was the 9th symphony with Karajan. The themes are so dramatic and lend themselves to real active listening (turn the lights off and blast it!). Ditto to Buddha Bandit's comments, something momentous has occured after listening to any Mahler symphony. THe emotional intensity is almost unparalleled.

    No composer so consistently digs so deep into me as Mahler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gustav View Post
    Then, you might be interested in Bruckner also, just a thought.
    I like Bruckner a lot, too. I find his 9th Symphony especially powerful (what is it with those 9ths? )
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    indeed there are some mighty 9ths out there. Back to the topic of Mahler, I think his symphonic language is very appealing, i don't think there is a steep "listening curve" in his music. Bruckner, on the other hand, might prove to be a challenge for people. Well, if you are a good enough listener, you'll eventually be addicted to both composer's works.

    and yes, BuddhaBandit, Bruckner's 9th is powerful, but it is also true for his 8th. You might want to check that symphony out too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gustav View Post
    and yes, BuddhaBandit, Bruckner's 9th is powerful, but it is also true for his 8th. You might want to check that symphony out too.
    Thanks, I definitely will. All I've heard so far are the 9th, 5th, and 0th (Null) symphonies. However, I'm thinking about investing in a complete set (including the 00th "Study" Symphony).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddhaBandit View Post
    Thanks, I definitely will. All I've heard so far are the 9th, 5th, and 0th (Null) symphonies. However, I'm thinking about investing in a complete set (including the 00th "Study" Symphony).
    You might want to buy Eugen Jochum's complete symphonies with SD, I think you can buy it for 30 bucks.
    http://www.amazon.com/Bruckner-Symph...0708387&sr=8-7

    that's a really good "beginner" cycle. Maybe once you are more familiar with his other symphonies, you can go out and explore individual recordings of each symphonies on your own.

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    I have great love for Bruckner. Still (in the parlance of parliamentarians), I move the previous question.

    As I've cited before, we've already done the "rank the Mahler symphonies" bit. Other places have done the "your-dream-Mahler-cycle" of recordings (and I try to be original). So-- to view this topic from another angle, I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has a "memorable live Mahler experience." (Unfortunately, I have nothing to add to that kind of topic- but it'll still be vicarious enjoyment for me, probably.) Also, would anyone like to forward a triptych of great Mahler "single-piece" recordings? They might not necessarily be your favorite symphonies... just excellent recorded performances. I'll start-

    1) Tennstedt- London Philharmonic, Symphony #5. This recording would be in my "desert-island" collection, if I was limited to a dozen. It might even make the cut at 10!

    2) Solti- Chicago Symphony, Symphony #8. This recording is so admired in so many places that it's just impossible to ignore. Not necessarily one of my very favorite symphonies, but a great, great recording/performance.

    3) Szell- Cleveland Orchestra, Symphony #6. Sorry, Reb Lem, I beat you to it. (I did leave you the French guy who conducted the CSO in the mid-sixties, as well as this Maestro's Symphony #4!) This recording has so many merits-- a) an incredibly committed live rendition, b) on the short list of best played 6ths, in-the-moment recording and all, and c) it's dirt-cheap, as well!! (Pricing points still matter to me.)

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    In October I attended my first classical music concert. I was very excited, as the Royal Scottish National Orchestra was performing one of my favourites--Mahler's 3rd Symphony. I can't tell you how impressed I was. It was a great piece to see live, the sheer scale of the work coupled with haunting vocals and two choirs!

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    When I first heard the first symphony of Mahler (Pierre Boulez), it was very good, but I felt there was something missing from the third movement. It is my second favorite Mahler movement so far (first is the 6th's finale). Then I heard Bernstein's first recording of it. It was PERFECT! I mean, after the second (klezmer) theme comes in, the violins take it over and Bernstein just makes it so amazing! It's like, da.............. da.............................. da.............................................. dum........ da-dum........ da-dum......... da-da-da-da-da-dum, da-dum.

    It's just that awesome. And more.
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    Here is what I have for the Mahler symphonies:
    1-Haitink/Concertgebouw
    2-Blomstedt/San Francisco Sym
    3-Salonen/LA Phil.
    4-[Not yet...though, eyeballing Walter/NY Phil.]
    5-Rattle/Berlin, Haitink/Concertgebouw
    6-Zander/Philharmonia
    7-Tilson Thomas/London Sym.
    8- Rattle/Birmingham SO
    9- Abbado/Berlin
    10-Rattle/Berlin

    A little diverse, yes. But, if I could (and when I do) have more I would get Abbado's award-winning 6th, as well as his 3rd, Solti's 2nd, Zander's 9th, and Walter's 4th (more uncommon than the others).
    To me, each of the symphonies has a different feel which allows some room for a different conductor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by World Violist View Post
    When I first heard the first symphony of Mahler (Pierre Boulez), it was very good, but I felt there was something missing from the third movement. It is my second favorite Mahler movement so far (first is the 6th's finale). Then I heard Bernstein's first recording of it. It was PERFECT! I mean, after the second (klezmer) theme comes in, the violins take it over and Bernstein just makes it so amazing! It's like, da.............. da.............................. da.............................................. dum........ da-dum........ da-dum......... da-da-da-da-da-dum, da-dum.

    It's just that awesome. And more.
    Ah yes... i have the double-disc edition with the 1st and 2nd conducted by Bernstein and he does, indeed, handle the funeral march soooo well...
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    I think Mahler is a great composer to hear live. As his works employ such huge forces and have a very theatrical air to them. Absolutely one of my top six favourite composers...

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    What kind of irks me about Mahler, though, is that some conductors/orchestras can't afford such huge forces as Mahler requires... so some orchestras aren't big enough to handle Mahler.
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