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    Quote Originally Posted by cheftimmyr View Post
    Will check out some of these recs. I recently purchased the Vanska/Lahti Cycle and was wondering what you would consider major flaws or problems in that cycle? Thx
    Not many flaws, really. It's a great cycle. If I had to nitpick, I'd say the orchestra's a tad thin and some of Vanska's tempo choices are a bit eccentric--but that's part of the charm that makes it a "great" cycle to begin with.
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    For what it's worth, I like all of Vanska's tempo choices, even the crazy fast First Symphony. Some people take issue with it, though, and that's why I mentioned it.
    Last edited by Adam Weber; Sep-01-2016 at 21:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheftimmyr View Post
    Will check out some of these recs. I recently purchased the Vanska/Lahti Cycle and was wondering what you would consider major flaws or problems in that cycle? Thx
    I don't know how the anti-Helsinki/Berglund Sibelius got started, but don't believe it and compare for yourself.

    No major issues with Lahti/Vanska, though his interps sometimes play havoc with dynamics. For instance, Symphony No. 3 is so bad that you swear there are periodic drop-outs. Compare Oslo/Jansons or Helsinki/Berglund. Cheers.

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    Interesting fact from this video: Sibelius didn't speak perfect Finnish.

    Also, he comes across as very reserved and doesn't really say anything (almost like listening to a politician talk) but still very interesting to hear his voice.

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    Perhaps without the cigar, his mumbled Finnish would become the King's Finnish.

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    don't trust very much in Kings. Our last king spoke in a twangy way and you know George VI was not a good example (in speaking matters).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lluissineu View Post
    don't trust very much in Kings. Our last king spoke in a twangy way and you know George VI was not a good example (in speaking matters).
    Where I used to live in Brooklyn, Kings Highway had a lot of fine mens clothing stores.

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    Thank you for that last movement of the second symphony. Just made my day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hpowders View Post
    Where I used to live in Brooklyn, Kings Highway had a lot of fine mens clothing stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaneyes View Post
    That's what they wear in Trump Tower's prison for elitists (A Marriott Property).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoFlutesOneTrumpet View Post
    A very interesting video! I actually, for the first time in my life, clicked on a Youtube link. Damn you Sibelius for making me break my sacred vows! But I can tell you guys something, I'm pretty sure there was an error in the translation (which was otherwise very good). When Sibelius says that he has observed that the more his music is played, the more the performers are getting "the tricks" right, I really think he was not saying "temput" (="tricks"), but rather, "tempot" (="tempi"). So I'm pretty convinced that he commented on the performers getting the tempi right. This seems also better because I think I've read him saying a similar thing in other (written) interviews.
    Wäre das Faktum wahr, – wäre der außerordentliche Fall wirklich eingetreten, daß die politische Gesetzgebung der Vernunft übertragen, der Mensch als Selbstzweck respektiert und behandelt, das Gesetz auf den Thron erhoben, und wahre Freiheit zur Grundlage des Staatsgebäudes gemacht worden, so wollte ich auf ewig von den Musen Abschied nehmen, und dem herrlichsten aller Kunstwerke, der Monarchie der Vernunft, alle meine Thätigkeit widmen.

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    I could also add that when he says the thing how "every note must live" or "every note must be lived through", my intuition as both a native Finnish speaker and a Sibelius enthusiast is telling me that he meant the latter translation, that every note must be lived through, that the composer must live through every note that he/she is writing down.
    Wäre das Faktum wahr, – wäre der außerordentliche Fall wirklich eingetreten, daß die politische Gesetzgebung der Vernunft übertragen, der Mensch als Selbstzweck respektiert und behandelt, das Gesetz auf den Thron erhoben, und wahre Freiheit zur Grundlage des Staatsgebäudes gemacht worden, so wollte ich auf ewig von den Musen Abschied nehmen, und dem herrlichsten aller Kunstwerke, der Monarchie der Vernunft, alle meine Thätigkeit widmen.

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    It's interesting that Sibelius conducted the interview in Finnish when he was more fluent in Swedish. Spoke good German, too, I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Weber View Post
    For what it's worth, I like all of Vanska's tempo choices, even the crazy fast First Symphony. Some people take issue with it, though, and that's why I mentioned it.
    I'm not a big Sibelius fan but I do have quite a few cycles and particularly rate Vanska's. It's an interesting set.

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