I was disscussing with a friend the different genres of music. I said you can usually tell how a genre is going to sound by the way it rhymes. How so? he asks. Well, you've got "Thrash" which is trash, "Rap" which is crap. What about Romantic? - Fantastic! Classical? - Magical! Oooh yeah!

A metal music follower can parade good technique at us till the cows come home, but all I see are egocentric nutters that are stuck in an identity crisis! Turn the distortion down guys! Let us hear the "beauty" of you're amazing craft!

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"You're amazing craft"?

LOL

You need to look at the best of the genre, not the mainstream stuff.

So how does distortion prevent beauty? I think distortion can be a great effect, especially in the extreme metal genres. Distortion is just used to add intensity, like Penderecki's opening to "Threnody's For The Victims Of Hiroshima" they used some distortion aamof.

Oh I'm sure distortion is beautiful, but the fact still remains that metalical based musicians get more money than they deserve. In addition, their music is harmfull, I went to a gig in York and it nearly burst my eardrums! I had to wear earplugs the whole time! People are entitled to like what they want, but I'm not prepared to risk my hearing for some mediocre composition screamed out of a bearded oaf!

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You need to separate mainstream metal from underground metal.

I guarantee that underground metal musicians make no money, and many of them promote classical.

Instead of trying to start needless enmity, why not work on those connections?

As far as mainstream metal -- it's rock music, and all rock music is trash designed to amuse morons so they can go back to flipping burgers, filing expense reports, picking cotton, etc.

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The music is about sentimetallity and intellectuallity

http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/index...ic,3123.0.html

Actually as long as the music is based around structural composition it is good, it does not matter which instruments and distorti0nz do they use to make the music

so you have:
-electro/ambient(Kraftwerk, DCD, Tangerine Dream.........)
-prog rock(King Crimson, all others, I would like to add Doors here)
-extreme metal(good black and death)
-classical music

You are confused between metalcore and mallcore. Metal musicians BARELY MAKE ANY MONEY. In fact, most of them are of the lowest class in most European countries. There are few metal bands who actually do make money, like Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, etc.

These "metal bands" as you call them are not metal. They are of the genres Screamo, Metalcore, and Mallcore.

If you say metal is dangerous, that means classical music is as well because of how closely related they are. If you do not believe this, take your time to compare the guitar work of these songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjePeUNx1SY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST2KEldWzqE

to symphonic classical works like these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AlEvy0fJto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Ca_edg6RE

Anyone with a musically trained ear can hear the similarities between the two pieces.

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Oh dear!

I can hear relentless drums and distortion in each and I don't think those vocals can be catogarised as singing! Not much variation at all.

In the other two peices I can hear well thought-out melodies, harmonies and interesting orchestral colour variations.

I think if a person was trying to develop their musical ear they would listen to the later of the two on that basis. I would strongly advise them to stay away from anything that had a huge lack of artistic merit.

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All because there is a lot of distortion and a lot of drums instantly means that it is not a good form of music? Who are you to judge that? I am sure you would not be able to write any metal music as good as those musicians do.

I can say the same about classical music as well. I can say "Oh I hear a lot of violins and such, so it instantly sucks" and you will think that that is stupid, but you saying the same kind of thing about metal is on the same exact level or idiocy.

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I assure you, distortion and drums are totally not what make these compositions bad. It's the total lack of variation which make the music bland and tepid after about 30 seconds. Also, I'd be very suprised if any of that music was written down in any way. It seems as though a bunch of guys have got together and worked out a painfully simple chord structure (if that even) and some lyrics that will appeal to those suffering from an identity crisis. I admit there is some technically appealing guitar work, but this is overshadowed by the overall mediocraty of the rest of the work.

HAHAHAHAHA

Your post Edward Elgar was very amusing due to your lack of understanding on the heavy metal genre.

First: Lack Of Variation
Lack of variation? What do you mean? There is no riff in most of these songs. They go by the same structure as classical music, in other words, instead of basing a song around a riff, they surround a specific motif. There are many exceptions however, due to the fact that many heavy metal bands prefer the jazz structure over the classical. A few genres that go by the classical structure the most commonly are Death Metal, Black Metal, Progressive Metal, and obviously, Symphonic Metal.

Second: Writing
Haha, yes it was written. The songs are carefully written and thought out. I hope you have heard of tablature. A place to check out the tabs of most of these bands is www.riversofgore.com to see the writing for primarily guitar work, but there are drum tablature works in there as well. Considering, I, myself, am in a Death Metal band (me being the vocalist) I assure you we carefully write songs, rearrange them, etc. until we are perfectly satisfied. One song for us usually takes around 6 months get done with writing, and another 3 months of revising, perhaps more.

Third: Plainly simple chord Structure
HAHA that is quite amusing. Does this look like a simple chord structure to you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAiqZDzruvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEbQDChHzmY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9gH-VNhFqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQhBVrtM6B0

I will get on the drums while I am at it as well. Drum work is pretty much fast forward Jazz drumming the way I see it. Usually though, Jazz drumming serpasses Metal's drumming technicallity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JFbyd5kufQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMxZH3RC84w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-aRj2JWwbw
This one is in the process of writing still, so no one has played it yet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE1ml...eature=related

Fourth: Lyrics

Lyrics in metal vary a lot. It depends on which genre really, but that does not limit the topics. There are just ones commonly used.

Traditional Metal (NWOBHM)
-War
-Anger
-Rebellion

Power Metal
-Mythology
-Confidence
-Rebellion

Doom Metal
-Depression
-Suicide
-Armaggedon

Thrash Metal
-War
-Political Issues
-Anger

Black Metal
-Evil
-Darkness
-Satanism/Paganism/Anti-Religious

Death Metal
-Death
-Political Issues
-Social Issues
-Symbolic Lyrics

Fifth: Mediocraty In Instruments

Like what? Can you tell me what you exactly mean? I see plenty. of technical ability and performance in all of the instruments. Examples would help your cause.

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The examples you gave to support ur theory of interesting chord progressions were all examples of extended riffs, the only thing I complemented the genre on! I think all that distortion has had an effect on your brain!

I also find it amusing that your metallical ilk try to pedal your trash or thrash or death-related metal on the folk with healthy tastes in music.

Did you even watch the entire videos? I think not, because it most certainly is not all chord progressions. If you are saying that about metal, you are saying the same about classical, since they share the same exact guitar style.
What is your definition of a chord structure? THIS is a chord structure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoQl5JH3bwI

Yes, on a few of the songs I posted, there were some for a few seconds, but what about the rest? You cannot judge the technicallity of the music based on a selected clip. I could say Ludwig Van Beethoven's 9th Symphony was nontechnical because of the final movement "Ode To Joy" because it was repetitive in simple. Of course, you would find that silly. That is the same case you are using here.

What is a healthy taste in music may I ask? Once again, I can say the same about classical being unhealthy for you. All of those violins are going to your head!

And speaking of classical music and metal combinations, this is a must listen. This is a black metal group from France called Peste Noire, or, in English, The Bubonic Plague. This song has a very calming and beautiful acoustic/classical opening and cuts to pure, raw, angry black metal. A few of you may like this as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMiOwhlzgBg It is absolutely beautiful and depressive.