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    The Universe Is As Finely Tuned As A Symphony Orchestra
    By Ronald H. Brady
    Frank Sinatra, according to his biographers, seldom played his own recordings while entertaining at his home. Instead he more often played his favorite classical recordings. Actually many of the arrangements for Sinatra’s music prominently featured the string section: the mainstay of the symphony orchestra.

    What does all of this have to do with a finely tuned Universe? Many cosmologists believe that if any of the, 26 or so, fundamental physical constants had been only slightly different from their actual values then the formation of the Universe as we know it would have been virtually impossible.

    Therefore, in the opinion of many astrophysicists, the original fine tuning of the fundamental physical constants made it likely that the Universe as we know it would eventually form and lead to the evolution of life on earth. And ultimately this fine tuning would make it possible for mankind, among many other things, to fine tune the instruments of symphony orchestras so that they would be able to perform the finely crafted symphonies of Brahms, Beethoven, Mahler and others.

    I once accidentally witnessed the consequences of the fine tuning of the laws of mathematical physics in connection with music (arguably the noblest of all of the art forms). It was a wintry day in the early sixties when most radios still had electron tubes. After a long day at high school I lay across the bed and turned on the radio. It was an old radio and the back cover had been removed and for some reason I turned it around so that I could watch the movement of the tuning condenser as I searched the radio dial for something interesting. The warmth of the radio in my hands brought a measure of relief from the cold that I had experienced outside.

    The 60 Hertz AC hum was prominent and reminded me of the math of alternating current theory. And I contemplated on how fortunate we were that the governing equations of electromagnetism, Maxwell’s field equations, made it possible for the radio waves to be transmitted from the radio station antenna to the receiving antenna of my radio.

    It was about this time, as I watched the glow of the filaments of the electron tubes, that I smelled the faint odor of the warming plastic of the radio casing. Then something utterly magical happed. The string section of an orchestra, following the musical dictation of a Nelson Riddle arrangement, majestically leaped toward the stratosphere as they provided part of the accompaniment for the silky smooth vocals of Frank Sinatra (in fine tune as always). The song was “Talk to me”, by E. Snyder, S. Kahan and R. Vallee,

    “Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me
    Your magical kiss can take me just so far
    Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me Don't leave me like this dangling from a star”

    For me, at that time and place, the juxtaposition of pleasant stimuli for all five of the senses in addition to my intellectual appreciation of the cleverness of the lyrics of the song was something that was very special. The lyrics were great, the music magnificent, the singing wondrous, the glow of the electrons in the tubes was fascinating, the heat of the radio helped to warm winter chilled hands and the faint smell of the plastic all combined to create a singular moment of awareness of the beauty and mystery of creation.

    But this was just one episode of the virtually infinite space - time continuum that was made possible by a Universal Governing Equation. Many theoretical physicists imply the existence of such an equation by their search for the mathematical formulation of a THORY OF EVERYTHING.

    So who do we thank for the wonders of an apparently very fined tuned Universe: the coincidence of the Big Bang or the Infinite Power and Intellect from which it evidently sprang?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MlFgGr1ldQ
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    Uh, is this a music thread or a theological debate? I'm confused.
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    Yes, we have no plantains.
    My secret is, I always use fresh tomatoes, never canned. And to give it that extra zip, I mix a little Spam with the ground beef!

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    A less romantic view: the weak anthropic principle.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle
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    Please excuse the typo: "THORY OF EVERYTHING" should be replaced by "THEORY OF EVERYTHING"

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    The dynamics of the Universe, in the view of many who are versed in music and sci/math, is considered to be the performance of a cosmic abstract symphony.

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    The REAL Jupiter Symphony.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fqE01YYWs
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    Yes, in the view of those who support the anthropic principle the fine tuning, and all of the consequences that follow from it, is unremarkable! But then what is remarkable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by american music View Post
    But this was just one episode of the virtually infinite space - time continuum that was made possible by a Universal Governing Equation. Many theoretical physicists imply the existence of such an equation by their search for the mathematical formulation of a THORY OF EVERYTHING.
    But we already have an Universal Governing Equation for the space - time continuum... it's called Einstein's equation. Here you have it:



    Possibly, the space - time continuum will not play any role in a theory of everything, since it's believed it's some kind of emergent thing from more fundamental concepts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by american music View Post
    Yes, in the view of those who support the anthropic principle the fine tuning, and all of the consequences that follow from it, is unremarkable! But then what is remarkable?
    What indeed? Don't commit the inverse gambler's fallacy:
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    Suppose a man walked into a room and saw someone rolling a pair of dice. Furthermore, imagine that the result of this dice roll is a double-six. The man entering the room would commit the Inverse Gambler's Fallacy if he said, "You've probably been rolling the dice for quite a while, since it's unlikely you would get a double-six on your first attempt."
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    But of course, the double-six is just as likely (or unlikely) on the first throw as on any other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by american music View Post
    The dynamics of the Universe, in the view of many who are versed in music and sci/math, is considered to be the performance of a cosmic abstract symphony.
    Er... no. The dynamics of the Universe looks like this. A symphony looks like this.

    Both are wonderful human creations. END OF THE ANALOGY...

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    Aleazk, you seem like the person to ask. I saw a news story the other day that said recent background radiation measurements had pretty well proven that there was an inflationary period shortly (very shortly!) after the big bang. Any idea about this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Aleazk, you seem like the person to ask. I saw a news story the other day that said recent background radiation measurements has pretty well proven that there was an inflationary period shortly (very shortly!) after the big bang. Any idea about this?
    My layman's non-Aleazk / non-physicists take on it?

    Inflation and poverty have both been with us from the first dawn :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrB View Post
    Inflation and poverty have goth been with us from the first dawn :-)
    Not inflation but deflation in classical music. Not many years ago a dollar would buy you a fifteenth of a CD. Today it'll buy the complete solo piano music of Mozart.

    http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Complet...s=mozart+klien

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Not inflation but deflation in classical music. Not many years ago a dollar would buy you a fifteenth of a CD. Today it'll buy the complete solo piano music of Mozart.

    http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Complet...s=mozart+klien
    One of the benefits of having unpopular music tastes?

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