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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefinaHW View Post
    Happy Easter, Bettina! Alas, the above disc was not available for streaming in Amazon Music Unlimited but I just bought it for $4 and that includes shipping.
    Thank you for the Easter greetings, JosefinaHW! I hope that you had a blessed Easter too.

    That's a good question about why there haven't been more musical settings of the Seven Last Words. Wikipedia has a (probably partial) list of the settings that have been done: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica...ords_of_Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina View Post
    Thank you for the Easter greetings, JosefinaHW! I hope that you had a blessed Easter too.

    That's a good question about why there haven't been more musical settings of the Seven Last Words. Wikipedia has a (probably partial) list of the settings that have been done: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica...ords_of_Christ
    Thank you, Bettina! Yes, I read the Wikipedia article, too: given all the possible interpretations that could be done--and that's just in my three last functioning brain cells--it really is shocking that more have not been composed. I wonder if it is because not enough theologians are composers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefinaHW View Post
    Thank you, Bettina! Yes, I read the Wikipedia article, too: given all the possible interpretations that could be done--and that's just in my three last functioning brain cells--it really is shocking that more have not been composed. I wonder if it is because not enough theologians are composers?
    Yes, it does seem that composers rarely studied theology in depth (and, vice versa, theologians rarely composed music). Bach seems to have been one of the few composers who made a thorough study of theology, but he didn't compose any works specifically devoted to the Seven Last Words. However, if I recall correctly, his passions do include these words in the course of the entire narrative. There's an interesting discussion of that issue in Eric Chafe's book J.S. Bach's Johannine Theology: The St. John Passion and the Cantatas for Spring 1725, especially on pages 142-143:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=sO...rds%22&f=false

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    Cherubini: Requiem in D minor,

    Philharmonia Orchestra, Ambrosian Singers, Riccardo Muti
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina View Post
    Yes, it does seem that composers rarely studied theology in depth (and, vice versa, theologians rarely composed music). Bach seems to have been one of the few composers who made a thorough study of theology, but he didn't compose any works specifically devoted to the Seven Last Words. However, if I recall correctly, his passions do include these words in the course of the entire narrative. There's an interesting discussion of that issue in Eric Chafe's book J.S. Bach's Johannine Theology: The St. John Passion and the Cantatas for Spring 1725, especially on pages 142-143:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=sO...rds%22&f=false
    Many thanks for the Chafe reference, Bettina! Among other things, I am currently reading his Analyzing Bach Cantatas. I do hope he lives a VERY LONG life; he mentions in this work how he would like to write an "analysis" of the cantatas as an entire body of work in relation to the entire liturgical calendar! After 500+ small-print pages on Cantata 21 it just boggles my mind what such a comprehensive project would look like. I don't have the words at the moment but I hope he has influenced and continues to influence many young scholars to continue his work.

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    Bach's Johannine Theology awaits about four feet from me. LOL

    Sometime this evening I am going to send you a long-overdue PM re/ Bach as my personal theologian.

    All the Best!


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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefinaHW View Post
    Many thanks for the Chafe reference, Bettina! Among other things, I am currently reading his Analyzing Bach Cantatas. I do hope he lives a VERY LONG life; he mentions in this work how he would like to write an "analysis" of the cantatas as an entire body of work in relation to the entire liturgical calendar! After 500+ small-print pages on Cantata 21 it just boggles my mind what such a comprehensive project would look like. I don't have the words at the moment but I hope he has influenced and continues to influence many young scholars to continue his work.

    ... just to share a little smile:



    Bach's Johannine Theology awaits about four feet from me. LOL

    Sometime this evening I am going to send you a long-overdue PM re/ Bach as my personal theologian.

    All the Best!
    It's wonderful to meet a fellow admirer of Eric Chafe! His work is so inspiring, on both a spiritual and an intellectual level. Yes, I hope and pray that Chafe lives a long life and that he is able to share his insights into all the Bach Cantatas. He is one of the few scholars who grasps the depth of Bach's engagement with theology. He demonstrates that Bach was engaging in Biblical exegesis through the way in which he set liturgical texts.

    I look forward to reading your thoughts on Bach's theology. Thanks so much for offering to send me a PM.

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    Mozart: Requiem in D minor, K626

    Edith Mathis, Hans Haselböck, Julia Hamari, Norbert Balatsch & Wieslaw Ochman

    Konzertvereinigung, Wiener Staatsopernchor & Wiener Philharmoniker, Karl Böhm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmsummer View Post
    Thanks for making me aware of this. No collection is complete without an album called "Goostly Psalmes", so I just had to buy it! Purchased cheaply from iTunes under the more prosaic name of Early American Choral Music, Vol 2, but it's the same recording. Very enjoyable it is, too

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Good Friday ritual

    Bach St Matthew Passion

    Jacobs this year!
    I listened to Jacobs last year; this year it was both of the Herreweghe recordings.

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    Schubert: Mass No. 6 in E flat major, D950.


    Karita Mattila, Marjana Lipovšek, Jerry Hadley, Jorge Pita & Robert Holl

    Konzertvereinigung, Wiener Staatsopernchor & Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado.
    Wonderful Sunday morning music.
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    Berlioz: Grande Messe des Morts, Op. 5 (Requiem)

    Barry Banks (tenor)

    London Symphony Orchestra, London Symphony Chorus & London Philharmonic Choir, Sir Colin Davis
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    Gounod: St Cecilia Mass

    Pilar Lorengar, Heinz Hoppe, Franz Crass

    Orchestre de la Societe des Concerts du Conservatoire, Jean-Claude Hartemann.
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    Bach: Christmas Oratorio

    Sibylla Rubens (soprano); Ingeborg Danz (alto); James Taylor (tenor, Evangelist); Marcus Ullmann (tenor); Hanno Müller-Brachmann (bass)

    Gächinger Kantorei; Bach-Collegium Stuttgart/Helmuth Rilling.

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    Berlioz: L'Enfance du Christ

    Romeo & Juliette ( highlights)

    Victoria De Los Angeles/ Nicolai Gedda et al.

    Cluytens /Guilini conducting.
    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    "Mahatma Gandhi"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tchaikov6 View Post
    Bach_Christmas_Oratorio_Rilling.jpg

    Bach: Christmas Oratorio

    Sibylla Rubens (soprano); Ingeborg Danz (alto); James Taylor (tenor, Evangelist); Marcus Ullmann (tenor); Hanno Müller-Brachmann (bass)

    Gächinger Kantorei; Bach-Collegium Stuttgart/Helmuth Rilling.
    Looking forward to singing this in December.

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