Look, if skimming this fills you with a harumphing, vinegary feeling - then John Cage is probably not for you:
That's OK, tho. It's really fine and there's no need to feel bad about it. Plenty of things (note - I didn't even say "music"!!!) for everyone
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But an earlier meaning of the word, an entirely neutral meaning, is "lacking knowledge."
And that is a thing that some of us object to, people who self identify as lacking knowledge continuing to push their unsupported opinions.
DavidA may be amused by me. I'm embarrassed by him.
And if I get an infraction for saying that, then everyone who has said they're amused by people who take Cage's piece "seriously" should also get infractions. Fair's fair.
By the way, I consider Ravel's Bolero to be a clever idea but not a musical masterpiece.
Ravel would agree.
And, furthermore, Bizet's Carmen has also been described as tuneless racket. Well, is it?
It is possible, and possibly desirable, to be able to distinguish individual perceptions and actual characteristics.
It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. And I am a very ingenious fellow
It's been interesting reading the comments here.
I find myself not particularly invested in 4'33". Like much concept art I go "Oh. I see what you've done there. Neat." And then carry on with life. This type of art doesn't really have the power to hold me and keep me returning, though I appreciate what's it's trying to say and the discussions ( like this ) it leads to.
In essence, I'm glad it exists in an abstract sort of way, but I'd always rather be listening to his Sonatas and Interludes or the like.
Look here brother
Who you jivin' with that cosmic debris?
Look here brother
Don't you waste your time on me.
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But maybe you do.
Tell us, now, your understanding of the concept and the rationale. And then explain how that is puerile, lame, and insulting.
Most of the above paraphrases ideas from Silence.
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The ohh, so serious John Houseman, who likes his music "the old-fashioned way"
"The way out is through the door. Why is it that no one will use this method?"
"In Spring! In the creation of art it must be as it is in Spring!" -Arnold Schoenberg
"As long as avocados do not increase in price, I don't care." -Me