Absolutely nothing? At least it was about Dvořák . I tell you exactly why I said it. You said: "Dvorak is an overrated composer, promotes purely because he wrote the New World symphony." I supposed that you was trying to say that Dvořák's reputation is based on one work. That's why I mentioned 7th symphony and Cello Concerto (could mention much more works).

Now I can ask where I wrote something like this? I don't deem Dvořák to be bees knees at all. I insist I am right because I have ears and my opinion is supported by many other listeners, critics and musicians. Sincerely, your opinion "Dvořák does not have good melodies" is really unique (nonsense, in my opinion), so I am still waiting if you put some relevant arguments on the table. But I am afraid it is like waiting for Godot.

Maybe, but it has nothing to do with effort of objective evaluation of composers. I can paraphrase you: Just because (almighty) you think Dvořák is sub par (or whatever), does not make him bad in anything (including his exceptional melodic invention). He can be sub par composer, but in this aspect of composing he is on the top.

Brahms was also a composer and thought Dvořák had excellent melodic ideas. So don't arguments of composer's knowledge or education, because their reviews can be strictly different (beacuse their review is influenced by their own composition style preferences, that's what I'm speaking about and there is no personal attack in that, don't be paranoid.)

I have read many upon many who think Dvorak is overrated (and also MANY more whom I know personally), yet putting them forth (if I could find them) would be pointless, because just like your 'evidence' they are all opinions, and are thus, worthless.

And what is the point of adding the 'nonsense' fallacy? Why are you so desperate in defending an opinion which has no basis in fact and is actually (this is closer to fact) not as one sided as you think.

Why do you insist you are right? That's stupid. I can't insist I'm right and neither can you.

The funny thing is, I am freely admitting that mine is just opinion and has no basis in arguments, you are still trying to say otherwise on yours.

Why are you trying to assert that his 'exceptional melodic invention' is a given fact when it isn't?

I actually stand by what I said on hindsight, you do think you are 'almighty' you, as you defend you unfounded opinions with such immature vigor!

I'm sorry, but your opinion is just that, opinion and I am not on my own like to are trying to say.

Don't turn it, I said few times, that I don't contradict your opinion about his overrating, but your assertion about his melodies.

In this case I can. For me good melodic invention of Dvořák is the same fact as that sun is shining.

Because I just think it is a given fact.

OK, that is all I wanted to know. Now we can end this dialog.

Well in that case it's like talking to a brick wall. I can't be bothered talking to someone who is trying to put forth his pure and simple opinion (based on no actual evidence) as a given fact.

No, you think he has exception melodic invention. There is no fact, and if you think a pure opinion without and basis in evidence is a given fact you need to re-evaluate the situation badly, and give this, probably many things in your life.

Yours is too, in case you hadn't noticed.

Also, you don't know everything, and you opinions aren't godly as you seem to think. Please stop being so arrogant.

I've been telling you this from the begining and you notice this now? WTF? Can't you read?

I don't know everything of course and really has no special opinion on myself and my thoughts , believe me or not. Sorry if I seem to be arrogant, however I've accounted you arrogant from the beginning of discussion about talent. Nice to see I was wrong (I hope).

My opinion on Beethoven has some critical evidence e backing it up, as does my opinions of talent and genius. You have to remember (instead of continuously beating it up), that I only disagree with a small tiny part of the definition of talent and genius, and that doesn;t undermine it's effect in one sense. I always never say these 'disclaimers' because I know it is obvious, but I seem to always get surprised people people still find a way not to see it...

I was speaking to my music teacher about orchestration, and he noted that Beethoven wasn't good at voicing chords. He said one explanation was that when Beethoven was going deaf, he struggled to hear some of the chords in the bass section of the piano. Therefor he would add notes to the chords to allow him to hear them better, making it less spread out so giving it a muddier sound. I don't know how true that is, though.
I'm interested in this sort of thing- what is the best way to voice chords? How does it differ on a piano to, say, a wind band?

Offenbach anyone?

He had some good moments.

The only evidence one needs is one's ears.

I don't think so...still there are some aspects of music that can be measured detachedly in a manner.

Another favorite classical orchestrator of mine is Canteloube. He wrote so little but his major contribution to the Repertory is an orchestrational masterpiece; 'Songs from the Auverne' One could do no better than study this score to learn how to write for piano orchestrally!

Indeed, there are many aspects. Aesthetic philosophy is very active in music academia.

This is prime waffle, and no doubt a digression, but the idea of "detached measurement of aesthetic phenomena" always reminds me of the 'Pritchett-essay' scene from the early section of the movie "Dead Poets' Society."

Now for a 'personal confession' I consider myself to be something of a bibliophile, with irrational tendencies in that direction. I don't 'dog-ear' pages, and (even after all this time) I can't bring myself to use highlight-marker in my books. The sight of a book on fire (ANY book) almost physically sickens me. (I turn my head away from the screen during the video for the song "Africa" by Toto.) Sort of neurotic, I know, but it's just hard-wired into me somehow. In spite of all of that, I ALMOST made an exception for the page-tearing urged by the Robin Williams character in that film.

I find it horrible too, but what's worse.... is a grand piano burning... should be a crime.

I meant regarding orchestration.