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    Quote Originally Posted by Delicious Manager View Post
    Success does not always equate to quality; the very opposite is true sometimes. Modern-day marketing hype can be very effective to those who know no better. Lang Lang has enjoyed some very effective hype over the years (just as Katherine Jenkins, Andrea Bocelli and Adele have). Unfortunately, artists like this generate the wrong sort of interest, making people think that, in listening to these stilted, second-rate (at best) performances, they are getting the 'real deal'. This does classical music no favours.
    Lang Lang has an astounding technical ability, it's true, but MUSICALLY he lacks any artistic judgement or stylistic integrity; it's all about HIM, his image, his flouncing and his gurning.
    An interesting proposition. Far, far better that people be sheltered from the likes of Lang Lang and such, than they be exposed to the "wrong" sort of classical music by people like him, Rieu, etc. Better to leave them wallowing in their ignorance, I suppose. An interesting proposition indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delicious Manager View Post
    Success does not always equate to quality; the very opposite is true sometimes. Modern-day marketing hype can be very effective to those who know no better. Lang Lang has enjoyed some very effective hype over the years (just as Katherine Jenkins, Andrea Bocelli and Adele have). Unfortunately, artists like this generate the wrong sort of interest, making people think that, in listening to these stilted, second-rate (at best) performances, they are getting the 'real deal'. This does classical music no favours.
    Lang Lang has an astounding technical ability, it's true, but MUSICALLY he lacks any artistic judgement or stylistic integrity; it's all about HIM, his image, his flouncing and his gurning.
    You mean, of course, he doesn't do things the way you like. No problem with that. Just that you are using a completely subjective judgment as if it is a fact. Don't forget Lang Lang studied under Graffman so I dare say the great teacher put something of artistic judgment into him, even though certain TC contributors disapprove. Lets face it, the main problem with the guy is that he's a (i) showman (I mean, fancy playing Liszt with dry ice as background and then at that at a pop festival before all those morons) and (ii) he's so irritatingly popular and sells recordings at a rate no-one else does.
    I bet in bygone years people found a certain Mr Liszt equally irritating. I am just thankful that kids are taking up the piano because of artists like Lang Lang, even those he's not musically PC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Magic View Post
    An interesting proposition. Far, far better that people be sheltered from the likes of Lang Lang and such, than they be exposed to the "wrong" sort of classical music by people like him, Rieu, etc. Better to leave them wallowing in their ignorance, I suppose. An interesting proposition indeed.
    And far better that those musicians Rieu and co employ are on the dole? I don't like Rieu a lot - not my scene - but if he's bringing enjoyment to people through music AND giving skilled musicians employment then bully for him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    We see people banging on on this site about the lack of interest of young people in classical music and then when we get a young man who actually generates interest, all he gets is sneered at by those who reckon they are experts.......if the elite here do not like him 1000s do! And are listening to classical music because of him.
    I agree with this.
    Lang Lang (or say someone like Yuja Wang) could be the starting point for many of the non classical music listening public and that in turn could lead them into a deeper love and respect for classical music.
    Everyone needs a starting point and I'm sure many people (including myself) here didn't start off with the best recordings and best performers. But just be thankful classical music isn't dead and that there are young people studying and performing the works we all love.

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    A somewhat analogous situation: Carl Sagan was turned down for membership in the National Academy of Sciences because he was deemed too much a "popularizer" of science, and hence was not really a serious scientist. This action on the part of the NAS was denounced in the harshest terms by Jared Diamond (a member) as being idiotically myopic, in that interest in and support of science on the part of the larger public was an obvious and desirable goal of the scientific community. I remind my fellow elitists that, back in the day, even Liberace playing the Ritual Dance of Fire from El Amor Brujo, candelabra and all, brought people into classical music. There is altogether far too much whining, sniffling, hand-wringing over various sorts of popular music or popularizers of music on the part of some TC members for my refined and delicate taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDs View Post
    I agree with this.
    Lang Lang (or say someone like Yuja Wang) could be the starting point for many of the non classical music listening public and that in turn could lead them into a deeper love and respect for classical music.
    Everyone needs a starting point and I'm sure many people (including myself) here didn't start off with the best recordings and best performers. But just be thankful classical music isn't dead and that there are young people studying and performing the works we all love.
    Yuja Wang, at least in my experience, is the better pianist of the two. If Lang Lang brings people in, that's fine, but that in itself doesn't make him a great pianist. He has to back it up with interpretative artistry. The performances I'm familiar with seem to be lacking there.

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    Regardless of performers' talent or musicianship, I think we should all have carte blanche to make fun of them on the forum if their yearly income seems unreasonable to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahlerian View Post
    Yuja Wang, at least in my experience, is the better pianist of the two. If Lang Lang brings people in, that's fine, but that in itself doesn't make him a great pianist. He has to back it up with interpretative artistry. The performances I'm familiar with seem to be lacking there.
    I don't think anyone has said Lang Lang is a great pianist (apart from the publicists) but if someone can bring in the crowds to hear him, who are we to complain? I was thrilled to see the Albert Hall filled when Kissen gave a Prom Concert. He's not one of my favourite pianists but so what if he brings in the crowds? I don't think my opinion counts for much! As to Yuja Wang, she is another Graffman pupil and has an amazing technique. Some critics don't appear to notice this as they appear to be too busy writing about her skirts when they should have their minds on the music!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blancrocher View Post
    Regardless of performers' talent or musicianship, I think we should all have carte blanche to make fun of them on the forum if their yearly income seems unreasonable to us.

    Yes as long as we realise that the 'fun' is motivated by envy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahlerian View Post
    Yuja Wang, at least in my experience, is the better pianist of the two. If Lang Lang brings people in, that's fine, but that in itself doesn't make him a great pianist. He has to back it up with interpretative artistry. The performances I'm familiar with seem to be lacking there.
    I agree Lang Lang isn't the greatest. I as well would take Yuja Wang over Lang Lang but I would much rather listen to Perahia, Cliburn or Ax.
    Lang Lang and Yuja Wang are still young so they could mature over the years/decades and become a better interpreter.
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    Barenboim, Rattle, Gergiev, Mehta, Harnoncourt, Eschenbach, just to mention some directors who has performed and recorded with Lang Lang. Obviously he´s not my favorite pianist but... is he really that bad as some people say? Does he really lacks of any artistry? It would be nice to know that people opinions as well, in despite of that of our experts here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blancrocher View Post
    Regardless of performers' talent or musicianship, I think we should all have carte blanche to make fun of them on the forum if their yearly income seems unreasonable to us.
    Bravo, Fun! Boo, Whining!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eike View Post
    Just in case anybody is interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrapunctus View Post
    An electron microscope could not detect my interest level in him.
    ... and yet here you are posting on a thread about him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliogabo View Post
    Barenboim, Rattle, Gergiev, Mehta, Harnoncourt, Eschenbach, just to mention some directors who has performed and recorded with Lang Lang. Obviously he´s not my favorite pianist but... is he really that bad as some people say? Does he really lacks of any artistry? It would be nice to know that people opinions as well, in despite of that of our experts here.
    Note also that Dame Fanny Waterman appointed LL Global Ambassador to the Leeds Piano Competition. She says: "He has a pair of hands any pianist would envy." Now I realise Dame Fanny hasn't quite the discernment as our TC experts but surely we might take her opinion into consideration?

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