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    I like the buildings. Awful about all the rest though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht View Post
    Those are some godawful buildings.
    Oh God yes. (I mean, Gerhy is - or was - talented in an ogre-child-prodigy-doing-dumb-tricks-for-his-parents-while-thoughtlessly-trampling-ordinary-humans way, but the rest don't even have that much value.)

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    But you see, back at the times when many of Europe's architectural and artistic wonders were created, the average European peasant or tradesman was not much wealthier, if at all, than a citizen of the modern world's poorest states. And there was no humanitarian aid back in the day. And still, somehow, the resources and the desire was found to go beyond the very basic necessities and to create something beautiful and lasting. Of course, it was the elites who commissioned these creations, and they did not have to worry about basic necessities, but still... how many elites nowadays even have a desire to build something for eternity?

    Just to avoid misunderstandings, I am in no way advocating a return to the Middle Ages I am simply trying to figure out what it is that defines a culture's creative power and how we can preserve it for as long as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hildadam Bingor View Post
    Spengler - one the most influential historians of the last century, whom nobody acknowledges as an influence - would say that cultures simply get old and die, like animals, and that now it's the Faustian's turn. (He also said that Russia is a separate, very young culture.)
    It may well be. My pessimistically-minded German fiance often expresses the same opinion. To which I usually point out that Spengler first wrote about the decline of the West back in 1910-1920s. Since then the West, and particularly Spengler's own Vaterland have undergone trials and tribulations that he could in no way have foreseen. And they still have not gone off the map. I believe we will die long before the West does To quote my favorite movie (which deals with the struggle of the West against hostile powers):

    An hour of wolves and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down. But it is not this day!
    ... yet for us will still remain the holy German art... (Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht View Post
    It may well be. My pessimistically-minded German fiance often expresses the same opinion. To which I usually point out that Spengler first wrote about the decline of the West back in 1910-1920s. Since then the West, and particularly Spengler's own Vaterland have undergone trials and tribulations that he could in no way have foreseen. And they still have not gone off the map.
    But Spengler didn't mean dead civilizations go off the map. The way he sees it, they can continue to exist as mere political/economic/military powers for a long time. They just stop being creative. ("Kultur" = creative, "Zivilisation" = the uncreative shell that remains when Kultur dies.)

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    I love Mozart, but I can clearly offer a candidate for this thread:

    Serenade No. 10 "Gran Partita".

    I cannot understand why it is so well regarded.

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    The minuet from the Jupiter symphony I find a bit ho hum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerWaters View Post
    I love Mozart, but I can clearly offer a candidate for this thread:

    Serenade No. 10 "Gran Partita".

    I cannot understand why it is so well regarded.
    I love it! .

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    Quote Originally Posted by arnerich View Post
    The minuet from the Jupiter symphony I find a bit ho hum.
    Are you listening to a different version to me then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    I love it! .
    It's obviously a fine piece and well crafted. However, none of the 'riffs' pull me in.

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    <<I found this type of thread curious. What is the point of trying to point out the failings of one of the greatest masters of music? Does it make us feel better? I have the complete works of Mozart and, while some are more inspired than others I wouldn't call any of them 'boring'. Even when Mozart was being a 'hack' he was on a generally higher plane than most musicians.>>

    I couldn't agree more. Mozart is quite easily the greatest musical genius that ever lived. He wrote the two greatest operas, a magnificent requiem and mass (several wonderful masses, one as a teen,) a dozen symphonies, 35 concertos and scores of other music that is the equal to anyone that ever lived.

    He lived 35 years and did all this. Guess what Beethoven wouldn't have written had he lived 35 years: the 9th symphony, "Emporer" concerto, violin concerto, Missa Solemnis, his late quartets and piano sonatas. J.S. Bach, had he only lived 35 years, would not have written any cantatas after No. 24, no Brandenburg concertos, no B minor mass, no St. Matthew Passion, etc.

    No classical musician that ever resided on this planet did as much in such a short lifetime as Mozart. If you find anything he did boring, I am afraid I find that your incredible loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by larold View Post
    <<I found this type of thread curious. What is the point of trying to point out the failings of one of the greatest masters of music? Does it make us feel better? I have the complete works of Mozart and, while some are more inspired than others I wouldn't call any of them 'boring'. Even when Mozart was being a 'hack' he was on a generally higher plane than most musicians.>>

    I couldn't agree more. Mozart is quite easily the greatest musical genius that ever lived. He wrote the two greatest operas, a magnificent requiem and mass (several wonderful masses, one as a teen,) a dozen symphonies, 35 concertos and scores of other music that is the equal to anyone that ever lived.

    He lived 35 years and did all this. Guess what Beethoven wouldn't have written had he lived 35 years: the 9th symphony, "Emporer" concerto, violin concerto, Missa Solemnis, his late quartets and piano sonatas. J.S. Bach, had he only lived 35 years, would not have written any cantatas after No. 24, no Brandenburg concertos, no B minor mass, no St. Matthew Passion, etc.

    No classical musician that ever resided on this planet did as much in such a short lifetime as Mozart. If you find anything he did boring, I am afraid I find that your incredible loss.

    Very well said...............
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    The endless sets of dances are pretty tedious going. Not a lot of room for inspiration there, and it feels like the hackwork that it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    The endless sets of dances are pretty tedious going. Not a lot of room for inspiration there, and it feels like the hackwork that it is.
    Funny you say so when most of "The Unheard Beethoven" in your website is uninspiring. Sorry.
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