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    Usually there's a reason why 'unheard' work from a very famous artist is unheard. Hours of it too!

    I'm happy to have it publicised. so that we can all discuss how same-y and derivative it is.

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    Only some of the very, very early stuff. Apart from some of those, none are boring once you get to know them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    The endless sets of dances are pretty tedious going. Not a lot of room for inspiration there, and it feels like the hackwork that it is.
    It never ceases to amaze me how certain Beethoven fans seem to take an opportunity to denigrate Mozart's work. Must be a little bit of insecurity about their guy...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerWaters View Post
    I love Mozart, but I can clearly offer a candidate for this thread:

    Serenade No. 10 "Gran Partita".

    I cannot understand why it is so well regarded.
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    I love it! .
    It's marvelous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    The endless sets of dances are pretty tedious going. Not a lot of room for inspiration there, and it feels like the hackwork that it is.
    You've listened to them all then have you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    The endless sets of dances are pretty tedious going. Not a lot of room for inspiration there, and it feels like the hackwork that it is.
    I wonder how many of them you have heard. They are good enough for several major record companies to record. Of course, Mozart was tending to churn them out but even when he was operating as a 'hack' he was an inspired 'hack'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Are you listening to a different version to me then?
    I've listened to many recordings of the Jupiter symphony. Honestly I could do without the minuet entirely. But the 4th movement? That's another story
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    Listen to my Sonata-Fantasie no. 1 for piano

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casebearer View Post
    I'm not a big Mozart fan in general although I like some of his music and hear that it has a lot of quality, especially his vocal music (opera's, requiem) and some symphonies. But there has been enough talking about his genius. It might be more interesting to discuss his weaker side and see if there is any agreement on that. So let's make a list of boring and uninteresting Mozart pieces and see if there is any consensus in that area. I think most of what Westdeutches Rundfunk (WDR3) was playing of Mozart in my youth qualifies but I cannot immediately find the notes I made of it back then.
    Even with the works that are cited above, the praise sounds lukewarm and hollow (“I’m not a big Mozart fan in general”). If there was some kind of unqualified enthusiasm presented on the works that one likes, it might have been worthwhile commenting on some of the master’s shortcomings, because there’s never been a composer who hasn’t had them, including the sometimes compulsive busyness of Bach. But to discuss Mozart with those who can’t show any real enthusiasm for works of genius, it’s just not worth the bother—and the critic’s exposure to a wide variety of truly fine performances are usually suspect. Sometimes it may take a lifetime to understand the quality of the work separate from what could be a poor performance that ends up being blamed on the composer. Mozart never wrote an innept note in his life, whether one happens to like what he did or not, and the spirit of his critics generally burns so much lower than his own. What a waste for others to spend time on a composer they damn with faint praise rather than seeking satisfaction from someone else, unless the person happens to be questioning whether they’ve been missing something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by larold View Post
    <<I found this type of thread curious. What is the point of trying to point out the failings of one of the greatest masters of music? Does it make us feel better? I have the complete works of Mozart and, while some are more inspired than others I wouldn't call any of them 'boring'. Even when Mozart was being a 'hack' he was on a generally higher plane than most musicians.>>

    I couldn't agree more. Mozart is quite easily the greatest musical genius that ever lived. He wrote the two greatest operas, a magnificent requiem and mass (several wonderful masses, one as a teen,) a dozen symphonies, 35 concertos and scores of other music that is the equal to anyone that ever lived.

    He lived 35 years and did all this. Guess what Beethoven wouldn't have written had he lived 35 years: the 9th symphony, "Emporer" concerto, violin concerto, Missa Solemnis, his late quartets and piano sonatas. J.S. Bach, had he only lived 35 years, would not have written any cantatas after No. 24, no Brandenburg concertos, no B minor mass, no St. Matthew Passion, etc.

    No classical musician that ever resided on this planet did as much in such a short lifetime as Mozart. If you find anything he did boring, I am afraid I find that your incredible loss.
    Yeah I am not into Mozart myself apart from piano concerto but no one can deny how he managed to touch so many genres. I read a thread over here on composers' favorite composers and it seems like vast majority of artists seem to hold him into highest regard; perhaps due of his versatility.

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    P.S. I reckon Schubert was even bigger loss. If I could extend the life span of single composer; it would be undoubtedly Schubert.

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