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    As I wrote, Blomstedt is not nearly at the top of my favorite B3 performances. He takes a more light-hearted approach than those I thoroughly enjoy, but the SQ was excellent.

    It did, however, remind me of the importance of sonics in Bruckner recordings. But that needs to go along with interpretations that convey depth of feelings and cathedrals of experience.
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    Listened to Jochum/DG last night. Whilst the orchestra played very well, and the recording has excellent SQ, his more-or-less rapid approach missed the depths of feelings and heights of spirit which are so important for me in Bruckner.

    Interestingly, much later in his life, in recordings with the RCO and Bamberger, he slowed down quite a bit, and in doing so was able to bring out the depths and nuances of the music much, much more.

    A number of other conductors did the same, especially Celibidache and Giulini. And I am also reminded of Glenn Gould's two very different interpretations of the Goldberg Variations, the first when he was about 25, and the last near the end of his life.

    There are conductors whose Bruckner interpretations never changed much during their careers, such as Karajan, which is why I am not drawn to them. If I was the same person at 50 as I was at 30, something would surely be amiss!
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    Just listened to van Zweden/NRPO. Wow! A wonderful performance, with excellent sonics. The SACD is much better than the CD version in that regard.

    One of the very best I have heard. Celibidache is also wonderful, but van Zweden mostly takes it at a faster tempo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    Just listened to van Zweden/NRPO. Wow! A wonderful performance, with excellent sonics. The SACD is much better than the CD version in that regard.

    One of the very best I have heard. Celibidache is also wonderful, but van Zweden mostly takes it at a faster tempo.
    I placed an order at Presto UK for Zweden boxset (on sale) about a week ago, it will soon be mine.....

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    My set arrived from Presto Classical on Thursday, and I have listened to nos. 1, 2, and 3 so far.
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    Shame Remy Ballot didn't make the list, that might be my favorite.

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    Default After the Round-Up - No.3

    No.3 Results:

    Trash
    56th: Horenstein BBC NS
    55th: Matačić WSO
    54th: Barenboim CSO
    53rd: Harnoncourt RCO
    52nd: Chailly DSOB

    Decent
    51st: Donnányi ClO
    50th: Venzago BrnSO
    49th: Jansons RCO
    48th: Asahina OPO JJ
    47th: Wand SOdNDR
    46th: Wand KRSO
    45th: Paternostro WPR
    44th: Nelsons LGO
    43rd: Janowski OSR
    42nd: Szell ClO
    41st: 27th: Matačić PO
    40th: Sieghart BOL
    39th: Solti CSO
    38th: Skrowaczewski LPO
    37th: Inbal RSOF
    36th: Rozhdestvensky USSR Nowak 1889
    35th: Knappertsbusch WPO
    34th: Lim KSO
    33rd: Skrowaczewski RSOS
    32nd: Kegel LRSO
    31st: Haitink WPO

    Good
    30th: Böhm WPO
    29th: Jochum SKD
    28th: Celibidache MPO
    27th: Sanderling LGO
    26th: Gielen SWR
    25th: Haitink RCO
    24th: Zweden, NthRPO
    23rd: Blomstedt LGO
    22nd: Haitink WPO
    21st: Asahina OPO JVC
    20th: Barbirolli HO
    19th: Schuricht WPO
    18th: Tintner RNSO
    17th: Masur LGO (1p)
    16th: Sinopoli SKD (2p)
    15th: Karajan BPO (3p)
    14th: Kubelík Sony
    13th: Rozhdestvensky USSR Nowak 1873
    12th: Jochum SOdBR (4p)
    11th: Barenboim BPO
    10th: Knappertsbusch BaySO (5p)
    9th: Szell SKD
    8th: Vänskä BBC SSO

    Very good
    7th: Maazel SOdBR (6p)
    6th: Rozhdestvensky USSR Oeser 1877 (7p)
    5th: Kubelík Audite
    4th: Young HPO (8p)
    3rd: Celibidache RSOS (9p)
    2nd: Barenboim SKB (10p)
    1st: Tennstedt SOdBR


    Highlights of the round-up:


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.3 in D minor
    1889 Version, Ed. Nowak
    Gewandhausorchester Leipzig
    Kurt Masur
    Sony Classics (1977/2004 Reissued Edition)


    Ears open for the surprising first movement losing just a bit of steam in the Adagio and Scherzo.
    C+


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.3 in D minor
    1873 Original Version, Ed. Nowak
    USSR Ministry of Culture Symphony Orchestra
    Gennadi Rozhdestvensky
    Venezia (1988/2009 Reissue Edition)


    It's not easy to avoid the amateurishness of the original No.3 Scherzo. Rozhdestvensky is one of the few able to make it flourish by slowing it down. The delicacy of the overall symphony is a good experience.
    C+


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.3 in D minor Live recording
    1877 Version, Ed. Oeser
    Berliner Philharmoniker
    Daniel Barenboim
    Warner Classics (1995/2006 Reissue Edition)


    Firm and strong without letting in too much brass. The balance doesn't bring passion but everything is well done.
    C+



    Bruckner
    Symphony No.3 in D minor
    1877 Version, Ed. Oeser
    USSR Ministry of Culture Symphony Orchestra
    Gennadi Rozhdestvensky
    Venezia (1984/2009 Reissue Edition)


    The Russian conductor feels more sure with this version, achieving the strength of the reference recordings and in advance, softening the edges.
    C+


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.3 in D minor Live recording
    1877 Version, Ed. Oeser
    Staatskapelle Berlin
    Daniel Barenboim
    Peral / Deutsche Grammophon
    (2012/2016 Issue Edition)

    Hands down perfect. The pace is brilliantly settled to make the strings outstanding, and the four movements have a glance of wow moments. The Finale is well done to, below the high standards of the first three movements.
    B

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    I remain very highly skeptical of how one can possibly rank 56 recordings of the same work in this manor. I am not even convinced that it is possible for anyone to remember enough of each recording (over 56+ hours, 2+ days of music) to do an effective comparison. And let's not forget the complications caused by the various versions of the symphony (which are mostly not referenced above) - is it even fair to comparatively rank recordings of different versions?

    Having had my rant, let me recommend a recording which was released last year and which is not in the above lists - Yannick Nezet-Seguin with the Staatskapelle Dresden from a live performance of the original 1873 version. While the 4th thru 9th symphonies have long been regular parts of my listening and enjoyment, the 3rd is one that I have never really connected with, and even with trying various recordings (Haitink, Tintner, Young, Gielen) - until now. This Dresden/Nezet-Seguin finally made the symphony 'work' for me and convinced me that the 1873 version is the way to go. I strongly recommend it.

    P.S. Don't confuse this recording with a more recent one done by YN-S with his Montreal orchestra.

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