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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    Celibidache....His DG recording has the tempi right but a sound quality that doesn't do him justice.... And his Sony SACD recording is the most balanced of the three, both in sound and performance, yet the listening is not fulfilling enough compared to other sixteen recordings.

    So what could I consider a failure, or why do I sometimes put some recordings in the "trash" section?: it depends on the style (like Horenstein No.5) which I don't agree with, or, between failure and decent, a recording that I don't feel it encourages me to pay attention to it, or I see lack of passion, details.
    Your first paragraph above might indicate a possible issue with the sound or recording engineers and not with Celi's interpretation per se. I like what you have to say in the second paragraph because I also concern myself with the conductor's ability to elicit and clarify certain details. I consider most important the manner in which he displays the kinds of emotions in both quality and quantity that convince me he is effectively representing what the composer wants to say.

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    Wand and Young for me but the 4th is well-served on record. Lots of very good ones (Jochum, Skrowaczewski, etc).
    Last edited by Merl; Feb-20-2017 at 19:10.

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    Listened to Jochum/DG this afternoon. As with no. 3, he moves far too quickly in most places, as well as pushing and pulling the tempo in trying to be profound. That approach does not even begin to communicate the depths of feeling and heights of grandeur.

    The adagio, however, is lovely.

    Fortunately in his later recordings of 5, 7, 8, and 9 with RCO, MPO, and/or Bamberger he takes a slower pace, and brings out the wonder of Bruckner's music. The 5th, recorded shortly before his death, is amongst the very best.

    As for no. 4, Celibidache is still by far the one, for me. Wand/BPO is also excellent, although the sound is sometimes overly congested.
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    If anyone is a fan of Furtwangler's Bruckner watch for updates to Pristine Classical website, they are re-building after complete crash and not all titles are listed currently......but Andrew Rose has some amazing Bruckner remasters that are a real step above in sound quality compared to Music & Arts or Testament label versions for instance, I was just listening to his 4th tonight 51 VPO thinking this has to be one of my very favorite versions!

    Granate this is pure Bruckner fan worship that borders on complete insanity, keep it up brother

    Shown in pix Furtwangler Pristine XR remasters:

    4th - 51 VPO
    7th - 49 BPO
    8th - 44 VPO
    9th - 44 BPO

    Last edited by DarkAngel; Mar-03-2017 at 03:43.

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