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    No.4 Results:
    Trash
    42nd: Schuricht RSOS
    41st: Sawallisch PhlO

    Decent
    40th: Celibidache MetroGnome
    39th: Sinopoli SKD
    38th: Thielemann MPO
    37th: Tennstedt WC
    36th: Celibidache DG
    35th: Haitink WPO
    34th: Maazel SOdBR
    33rd: Knappertsbusch BPO
    32nd: Richter DSOB
    31st: Kubelík SOdBR
    30th: Matačić WSO
    29th: Jochum SKD
    28th: Haitink RCO
    27th: Blomstedt LGO
    26th: Barenboim CSO
    25th: Celibidache Sony
    24th: Karajan WC
    23rd: Walter CoSO

    Good
    22nd: Böhm WPO
    21st: Gielen SWR SO BBuF
    20th: Tintner RNSO
    19th: Wand KRSO
    18th: Tennstedt Testament
    17th: Kempe MPO
    16th: Furtwängler WPO
    15th: Matačić PO
    14th: Harnoncourt RCO
    13th: Asahina OPO
    12th: Klemperer PO
    11th: Chailly DSOB (1p)

    TOP10

    10th (2p)


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.4 in E flat major (1886 Version, Ed. Nowak)
    Cond. Stanisław Skrowaczewski, RSOS, Oehms (2003)

    Storming version that shows an amazing control of the tempo and at the same time ability to raise up the volume even if the brass is too sharp in the epic finale.
    C+

    9th (3p)


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.4 in E flat major (1886 Version, Ed. Nowak)
    Cond. Georg Solti, CSO, Decca (1981)

    Undeniably a good recording, no wonder it could be anyone's favourite. The best feature is the intensity of the instruments and the ability to create an epic soundscape.
    C+

    8th (4p)


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.4 in E flat major (1886 Version, Ed. Nowak)
    Cond. Eugen Jochum, BPO, DG (1967/2016 Reissue Edition)

    One of the most celebrated recordings of the fourth is one that grows in the second falf with incredible intensity and control of the tempo. Successful effort and epic finale.
    B-

    7th (5p)


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.4 in E flat major (1881 Version, Ed. Haas)
    Cond. Günter Wand, BPO, Sony (1998/2002 Remastered Edition)

    Overwhelming and also delicate performance that joins the ideas of Wand with the sound of Abbado's Berliner Philharmoniker. The Andante is the highlight, finally. A great success if it wasn't for that handicaped brass weight.
    B-

    6th (6p)


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.4 in E flat major (1874 First Version, Ed. Nowak)
    Cond. Simone Young, HPO, Oehms (2007)

    The recording is as monumental and perfect as the Young set is showing. The small issue is to confront with a the first score version of the symphony, less regular, less repetitive but a little bewildering. The Bewegt and Andante are phenomenal anyways.
    B-

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    TOP5 (7p)


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.4 in E flat major (1881 Version, Ed. Haas)
    Cond. Herbert von Karajan, BPO, DG (1975)

    Impressing Karajan recording for his set that communicates all the grand concepts of the symphony, with more success in the Scherzo and less in the Finale (where the brass is to blame for the harsh sound).
    B-

    TOP4 (8p)


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.4 in E flat major (1886 Version, Ed. Nowak)
    Cond. Mario Venzago, BsSO, CPO (2010)

    From zero to hero, Venzago and the Basel Symphony create an even more epic soundscape for the second half, highlighting the incredible beginning of the finale and the protagonism the strings hold in this recording.
    B-

    TOP3


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.4 in E flat major (1881 Version, Ed. Haas)
    Cond. István Kertész, LSO, BBC Legends (1964/2009 Reissue Edition)

    O_O That was an unexpected, awesome concert with the London Symphony by Kertész. The sound makes the performance evolve and progress to an exceptional realisation.
    B-

    TOP2 (9p)


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.4 in E flat major (1888 Version, Ed. Loewe)
    Cond. Hans Knappertsbusch, WPO, Testament (1955/2004 Remastered Edition)

    However the remastering may have affected this recording, Knappertsbusch creates a neat atmorphere with the Wiener. The first "experience" in studio that somehow made it for Decca but was later uncatalogued in favour of better stereo versions.
    B

    TOP1 (10p)


    Bruckner
    Symphony No.4 in E flat major (1881 Version, Ed. Haas)
    Cond. Sergiu Celibidache, MPO, WC (1988/2011 Issue Edition)

    A near-perfect recording that becomes excellent in the epic Bewegt and Finale thanks to the slowness and volume. One wishes the Andante and Scherzo reached the same level but they refuse to help.
    B-

    It is very hard for me to choose one of these eight top recordings. Except Knappertsbusch and Celibidache, who share the same highlights and advantages, each recording has something different to show as unique. Kertész and Young conduct like during a tornado, Jochum serves overall the best finale of all of these closely followed by Venzago, that grows with time and creates an outstanding recording. Karajan has a less tender version than Wand with the same Berliner with a great scherzo. If Celibidache for Warner Classics is a close winner instead of the Glorious mono take of the symphony by 'Kna' is because of the stereo quality and the depth Celibidache achieves in one of his fourth tries.

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    Just re-listened to the Finale as performed by Celibidache/Munich PO (EMI) and it's indeed one of those "you have to hear it to believe it" recordings. At 27+ minutes Finale does not seem slow!

    You seem to skip the videos available - Wand performance in Lubeck Dom with NDR SO is also very satisfying, with spatial reverberations adding to the unique experience.

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    Karajan's EMI recording is preferable to the DG. Stupendous!

    As is Karl Bohm's famous Decca recording with the VPO

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    Walter/ColSO
    Barenboim/CSO for me...

    the dynamic range of the Barenboim is really stunning - same with the color and variety of articulation, esp in the brass, most remarkable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    Bruckner 3 is his first great symphony, IMO.. my 2 favorites are :

    Solti/CSO
    Barenboim/CSO

    great flow and contrast...the brass sonority is non pareil...unmatched...I give Solti a slight edge, he generates a bit more excitement esp in the finale. the final section is most splendid - one of those great "Bruckner moments" that he would develop further in his later works.
    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    Walter/ColSO
    Barenboim/CSO for me...

    the dynamic range of the Barenboim is really stunning - same with the color and variety of articulation, esp in the brass, most remarkable
    We will have to agree with the fact that we disagree. I suppose I am looking at different features for my own satisfaction...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    We will have to agree with the fact that we disagree. I suppose I am looking at different features for my own satisfaction...
    sure thing...chacun a son gout

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azol View Post
    You seem to skip the videos available - Wand performance in Lubeck Dom with NDR SO is also very satisfying, with spatial reverberations adding to the unique experience.
    I surely won't skip Bruckner's No.8 by Karajan live in St. Florian, but did not know of the existence of that No.4 in Lübeck. I don't know if I should try Wand's No.9 in Lübeck. It's tempting.
    For that No.4, I will try to rate it on my quick round-up after all the 'important' recordings. It will go together with the Wand Bruckner set 3-9 with the NDR SO for RCA, but it will happen in a long time, I am afraid.
    Please tell me if I should check other live recordings on video of any Bruckner symphony.
    And thank you

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    Here is the Wand B4 live@Lubeck Dom: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gunter-Wand...dp/B000F6YWYE/

    There are lots of video performances (and I keep many in my collection, notably Wand, Abbado, Giulini and Celibidache), but actually I still prefer audio recordings of Bruckner symphonies for some reason. I really can recommend the above mentioned B4/Wand/NDR SO and you might find worth your time watching the B7/Abbado/Lucerne DVD: https://www.amazon.com/Bruckner-Beet.../dp/B000FGGK9E.

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    I've heard probably 90% of those compared but Jochum, Klemperer, Bohm, Wand, & Karajan are still the only ones I need.

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