View Poll Results: Favorite Ring Cycles (vote for as many as you like)

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  • Pierre Boulez, Bayreuth Festival Orchestra, 1980

    12 70.59%
  • James Levine, Metropolitan Opera Orchestra, 1990

    10 58.82%
  • Daniel Barenboim, Bayreuth Festival Orchestra, 1991–1992

    6 35.29%
  • Bertrand de Billy, Orchestra of the Gran Teatre del Liceu, 2003–2004

    0 0%
  • Hartmut Haenchen, Netherlands Philharmonic Orchestra, 2006

    0 0%
  • Zubin Mehta, Orquestra de la Comunitat Valenciana, 2007–2009

    0 0%
  • James Levine/Luisi, Metropolitan Opera Orchestra, 2010-12. ​ "The Machine"

    3 17.65%
  • Sebastian Weigle,Frankfurter Opern- und Museumsorchester, 2012

    0 0%
  • Daniel Barenboim, Teatro la Scala (Guy Cassiers) ​ ​2013

    2 11.76%
  • Roberto Paternostro, Teatro Colon Orchestra, 2013 "Colon Ring"

    0 0%
  • Michael Schønwandt, Royal Danish Orchestra, 2006 "Copenhagen Ring"​

    4 23.53%
  • Lothar Zagrosek, Staatsoper Stuttgart, 2004

    0 0%
  • Carl St Clair, Staatskapelle Weimar 2009

    0 0%
  • Roman Brogli-Sacher, Philharmonische Orchester der Hansestadt Lübeck, 2010/11

    0 0%
  • Lothar Zagrosek, Stuttgart Ring of 2002

    0 0%
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    Daniel Barenboim, Bayreuth Festival Orchestra, 1991–1992, is on my do-not-buy list after seeing a You Tube clip of it with a Rhinemaiden cavorting with Alberich like a dog in heat--on all fours too! The Boulez was not much better with Alberich putting his head up the Rhinemaiden's skirt. The 1990 Levine handled the Rheinmaidens interaction with Alberich in very good taste.

    So, at this point I am only considering The Machine as a second DVD Ring set. I was comforted in learing that in 46 performances with the Machine, nobody was killed or seriously injured. I guess if I get too tense watching it I can always chant, "Its only a video. Its only a video." Also, in The Machine, the actors are wearing traditional costumes, which is a significant plus. The only thing holding me back is price. Tell me there are no crude actions like a dog in heat or heads up skirts in The Machine.
    It's fun to shop and buy CDs online and have music coming in the mail all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    Whelp. I can only say that I am sorry we can't edit the poll choices. Thanks for pointing it out. I was also wondering where I got this from:

    "Roman, Philharmonische Orchester der Hansestadt Lübeck, 2010/11"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krummhorn View Post
    Edits completed as requested via PM from Florestan.
    Thank you very much!
    It's fun to shop and buy CDs online and have music coming in the mail all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    ^ That's freaky!
    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    Daniel Barenboim, Bayreuth Festival Orchestra, 1991–1992, is on my do-not-buy list after seeing a You Tube clip of it with a Rhinemaiden cavorting with Alberich like a dog in heat--on all fours too! The Boulez was not much better with Alberich putting his head up the Rhinemaiden's skirt. The 1990 Levine handled the Rheinmaidens interaction with Alberich in very good taste.

    So, at this point I am only considering The Machine as a second DVD Ring set. I was comforted in learing that in 46 performances with the Machine, nobody was killed or seriously injured. I guess if I get too tense watching it I can always chant, "Its only a video. Its only a video." Also, in The Machine, the actors are wearing traditional costumes, which is a significant plus. The only thing holding me back is price. Tell me there are no crude actions like a dog in heat or heads up skirts in The Machine.
    I fail to see what is so disturbing about the scenes you are describing.

    If you have the same standards for films you must never watch anything that isn't rated G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    So, at this point I am only considering The Machine as a second DVD Ring set. I was comforted in learing that in 46 performances with the Machine, nobody was killed or seriously injured. I guess if I get too tense watching it I can always chant, "Its only a video. Its only a video." Also, in The Machine, the actors are wearing traditional costumes, which is a significant plus. The only thing holding me back is price. Tell me there are no crude actions like a dog in heat or heads up skirts in The Machine.
    Yes the costumes in the Lepage Ring are "traditional", they are pretty close to the original costumes used in 1876 for the first complete Ring ever:



    Of course Wagner hated them because they looked completely ridiculous. And they still do today. Cosima Wagner noticed:"The costumes are reminiscent throughout of Red Indian chiefs and still bear, along with their ethnographic absurdity, all the marks of provincial tastelessness. Wotan's hat is a veritable musketeer's hat"

    I think Bryn Terfel wears a musketeer's hat just like that in Siegfried. But if people like that stuff, the Lepage Ring is a good choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdc View Post
    I fail to see what is so disturbing about the scenes you are describing.

    If you have the same standards for films you must never watch anything that isn't rated G.
    Well, I have not watched many films and have watched no television since 1989.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    Well, I have not watched many films and have watched no television since 1989.
    Well that is not necessarily a bad thing, however I think adding some serious and dark elements to the staging is a valid interpretation of Wagner's music drama. The original Norse Mythology that was a big inspiration for the work can be some pretty heavy and dark stuff. There are elements in it more disturbing than anything you mentioned in your posts.
    Last edited by tdc; Jan-12-2017 at 02:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdc View Post
    Well that is not necessarily a bad thing, however I think adding some serious and dark elements to the staging is a valid interpretation of Wagner's music drama. The original Norse Mythology that was a big inspiration for the work can be some pretty heavy and dark stuff. There are elements in it more disturbing than anything you mentioned in your posts.
    Well, I have not gotten all the way though my first Ring set on DVD (Levine 1990) so maybe I will be unpleasantly surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    Well, I have not gotten all the way though my first Ring set on DVD (Levine 1990) so maybe I will be unpleasantly surprised.
    I don't think so.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    I don't think so.
    Me neither...............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    Well, I have not gotten all the way though my first Ring set on DVD (Levine 1990) so maybe I will be unpleasantly surprised.
    Well, hurry up and watch it.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Well, hurry up and watch it.
    Okay. I am going to spend the next half hour with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    Okay. I am going to spend the next half hour with it.
    At least a whole act at a time bro.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    At least a whole act at a time bro.
    I ended up going for about 47 minutes to about where Brunnhilde is going to console Wotan after the argument with his wife. Didn't want to stop but had to get to bed. Really great video. Costumes, voices, story--everything is great.
    Last edited by Florestan; Jan-12-2017 at 14:49.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    The Lepage Ring is ok but to my ears it is marred by too many poor singers in important parts. Voight is adequate at best and grim at worst, Terfel barks his way through the part and his voice, which used to be a beautiful Verdi voice, is as rough as a badger's behind. Blythe is ok but as wooden as a door and Jay Hunter Morris, and I realise he was drafted in at short notice, is not a Siegfried for the Met. I realise I am being a bit harsh but I think the earlier Met Ring is much better vocally and I like the traditional staging. Regrettably no recordings of the Bayreuth fifties productions exist so it is what it is. The Chereau Ring was a groundbreaker and isn't nearly as über-modern as you would think. My choices would be it or Met 1.
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