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    Quote Originally Posted by Klassik View Post
    Have you tried the Horowitz/Ormandy recording? Ormandy has a reputation for being a good Rachmaninoff conductor. Some people love this recording, others hate it. The fact that it was done live probably does not help.
    It is somewhat slapdash with too many wrong notes. The Horowitz performance of this late period is with Mehta where the pianist is far more assured. Only available as video unless you but a 50 CD set of Horowitz's concert performances.


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    Just listening to Volodos. The virtuosity has to heard to be believed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Just listening to Volodos. The virtuosity has to heard to be believed!
    Definitely virtuoso playing, but sadly inversely proportional to bringing out the nuances, depth, and feeling of most of the pieces he has recorded. Seems to be the norm with many of today's headline pianists, conductors, and other performers.
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    That's too sweeping IMHO. For me he can bring out the musicality in display pieces, though I do agree that when it comes to performing works of greater substance (like the one under discussion here) he has more to learn yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    Definitely virtuoso playing, but sadly inversely proportional to bringing out the nuances, depth, and feeling of most of the pieces he has recorded. Seems to be the norm with many of today's headline pianists, conductors, and other performers.
    You sure you're listening to the same pianist?

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    The edict is known.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    You sure you're listening to the same pianist?
    Most definitely!!! Reminds me of something Vladimir Horowitz once said, about being able to play all of the notes but none of the music.

    Of course, as always, YMMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    Most definitely!!! Reminds me of something Vladimir Horowitz once said, about being able to play all of the notes but none of the music.

    Of course, as always, YMMV.
    I'm afraid I see the performance in far more different terms. I'm really glad I can enjoy a whole range of interpretations of this music. I listened to the aged Vlad (76) playing this concerto and it is still explosive. But Volodos is one of the best imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaneyes View Post
    The edict is known.


    One of the greatest performances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaneyes View Post
    The edict is known.

    Yes but look at the total package both works, far better to buy older release with equally great Tchaikovsky 1 Kondrashin performance


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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    Most definitely!!! Reminds me of something Vladimir Horowitz once said, about being able to play all of the notes but none of the music.

    Of course, as always, YMMV.
    There is a similar story about Schnabel, after piano recording session was asked if he wanted to do another take since there were a couple small "mistakes"......his reply I could do it again more carefully with no mistakes but it would not sound as good

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    This Horowitz 51 Rach 3rd under Reiner recorded in very clear mono studio sound has long been a strong contender, and for Ashkenazy I like this 63 Fistoulari over the Previn Rach 3rd plus you get a great Rach 2nd under Kondrashin
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    Byron Janis definitely a great Rach 3rd, but which is better Dorati or Munch hard to choose as both are stellar, perhaps slight edge to Dorati but RCA should remaster this classic as SACD hybrid, come on guys.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Byron Janis definitely a great Rach 3rd, but which is better Dorati or Munch hard to choose as both are stellar, perhaps slight edge to Dorati but RCA should remaster this classic as SACD hybrid, come on guys.......
    Janis/Dorati and Argerich/Chailly are still at the top for me, after listening to 18 or so different versions, some of them 2 or 3 times. Ashkenazy/Previn is not far behind.
    Last edited by merlinus; May-21-2017 at 18:30.
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