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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandryka View Post
    The Emperor is a strange thing because of the repetition...I'm not crazy about it.
    Agree. The repetitiveness causes me to lose interest in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandryka View Post
    How do we know when Haydn went through puberty?

    In 1760 he was nearly 30, about the same age as when Mozart wrote the quartets dedicated to Haydn . . .
    I think he was being metaphorical. Puberty could have been at age 30 for *musical* development.

    From Wikipedia: 'By 1749, Haydn had matured physically to the point that he was no longer able to sing high choral parts. Empress Maria Theresa herself complained to Reutter about his singing, calling it "crowing".' So that might be when actual puberty set in

    'Haydn struggled at first, working at many different jobs: as a music teacher, as a street serenader, and eventually, in 1752 [age 20], as valet–accompanist for the Italian composer Nicola Porpora, from whom he later said he learned "the true fundamentals of composition"... While a chorister, Haydn had not received any systematic training in music theory and composition.'

    So looks like a late developer to me.

    Are you suggesting his first works from the early 1760s are all great works equivalent to what Mozart was writing at around the age of 30? If so, I'm afraid I just don't hear it! Sounds, to me, more like what Mozart was writing as a teenager.

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    I like most of Haydn's String Quartets, so take the following with that caveat.

    As an earlier poster suggested, the Op. 33 are excellent. I also enjoy the Op. 20 and think they fall into the mature portion of his work. The Op. 17 may fairly be said to be early works but I find them enjoyable nonetheless, even though they're lighter. (The Tatrai capture their spirit well.)

    One set that is a favorite is the Op. 55, particularly by the Panocha Qt. (they did not record much Hadyn, quite unfortunately). And the Op. 51 (The Seven Last Words) I could not be without, although it's not in the form of a classic string quartet. Here I prefer the Mosaiques or Lindsay.

    Overall, for most of the quartets, including the excellent later ones, I now find the Auryn Qt. to be the best. I have and also like many quartets by the Lindsay, Festetics, Mosaiques (not in Op. 33 however), and Tatrai. The Kodaly are very good in some (Op. 33) and terrible in others (Op. 20, Op. 74): in general they're behind the others mentioned. The Festetics and Mosaiques fall into the HIP category fwiw.
    Last edited by classfolkphile; Sep-17-2017 at 16:21.

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    If you want a totally different Haydn quartet listening experience it is well worth investigating recording made by the Pro Arte Quartet in the 1930s. I invested in the whole set and they offer a good chunk of the complete quartets, and although the sound is primitive and repeats are missing it takes you back to a totally different style of interpretation never heard these days.

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    I have a Haydn String Quartets album performed by Endellion String Quartet. It has
    No 1 G Major opus 76
    No 4 D Major opus 20
    No 5 D Major opus 64
    Incomplete String Quartet in D Minor opus 103

    Very good album by a good string quartet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by juliante View Post
    It has taken me several years of listening to chamber music to finally realise how wonderful Haydn's string quartets are. But I have not explored many. I know and love:

    The Sun op 20 no 4
    The Joke op 33 no 2
    Razor op 55 no 2
    The Lark op 64 no 5
    Fifths op op 70 no 2
    Sunrise op 76 no 4

    Any other recommendations? Particularly from earlier opuses. I am not keen on Emperor.

    Many thanks
    one of the comments from you tube about "The Joke op 33 no 2" is
    "Haydn, you sly *******..."

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    A must have.
    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    "Mahatma Gandhi"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal View Post
    Are you suggesting his first works from the early 1760s are all great works equivalent to what Mozart was writing at around the age of 30?
    Certainly not!

    .........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alydon View Post
    If you want a totally different Haydn quartet listening experience it is well worth investigating recording made by the Pro Arte Quartet in the 1930s. I invested in the whole set and they offer a good chunk of the complete quartets, and although the sound is primitive and repeats are missing it takes you back to a totally different style of interpretation never heard these days.
    Quoted for truth

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    I am fond of Op. 51 (The Seven Last Words...) and especially so of the Op. 77 pair. The Kodaly Quartet are good in Op. 51; I'm not sure I've yet found a completely convincing Op. 77 recording. I have the Smithsonian Quartet, for now.

    In Op. 20 and Op. 33 I now swear by the London Haydn Quartet over the much-vaunted Quatuor Mosaiques, but it's a matter of taste and I know quite a few people who think the QM are best in that repertoire.
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