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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamme View Post
    I think the ''border'' for sexual misconduct and harassing is moving further down the line every year, even month! It goes to the point when even a ''dirty look'' could land you in jail...
    That, of course, is the highest standard, but I would not advocate jailing people for it. At the same time, I would not want other men looking dirty at my wife, but then, thankfully, she does not dress in a way that would unduly encourage such looks in public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    The US is, of course, governed by laws, not by individual opinions...even yours. I like it that way. It seems to have worked out better than some alternative approaches tried elsewhere!
    Ah sorry, I keep forgetting that the world beyond the borders of the U.S. is run by despots and bandits. Or was it that we have all managed to formulate law that applies equally to the entire nation rather than how quickly you can drive across the state border?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    That, of course, is the highest standard, but I would not advocate jailing people for it. At the same time, I would not want other men looking dirty at my wife, but then, thankfully, she does not dress in a way that would unduly encourage such looks in public.
    We all know who wears the trousers then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eugeneonagain View Post
    Ah sorry, I keep forgetting that the world beyond the borders of the U.S. is run by despots and bandits. Or was it that we have all managed to formulate law that applies equally to the entire nation rather than how quickly you can drive across the state border?
    Certainly some here like a modicum of local rule and some limitation on the power of the central government. Read Amendment 10 of our constitution: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." What a thought!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugeneonagain View Post
    We all know who wears the trousers then.
    Has nothing to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Certainly some here like a modicum of local rule and some limitation on the power of the central government. Read Amendment 10 of our constitution: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." What a thought!
    That constitution is nothing but a millstone rounds your necks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    Has nothing to do with it.
    It was a double-meaning: the old 'we know who the boss is' and also a reference to your wife possibly wearing trousers to be modest.

    Never mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eugeneonagain View Post
    That constitution is nothing but a millstone rounds your necks.
    No, it is a check to keep the federal government from getting too strong and the people can restrain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eugeneonagain View Post
    That constitution is nothing but a millstone rounds your necks.
    An odd opinion. The US is now the oldest continuous government on earth, possibly excepting Switzerland. Our Constitution may have something to do with that! There are zero factions in the US (so far as I know) calling for it to be replaced. It can be amended of course, and has been from time to time.

    The Constitution came into force in 1788, and the first ten amendments (the Bill of Rights) in 1791, 226 years ago. It has since been amended 17 times, most recently in 1992. Some of these amendments are quite substantial and include items such as the basis for federal taxation, freedom and citizenship for former slaves, and female suffrage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugeneonagain View Post
    It was a double-meaning: the old 'we know who the boss is' and also a reference to your wife possibly wearing trousers to be modest.

    Never mind.
    Thought of both, but didn't think the trousers really are necessary for modesty (more for practicality though) and in some cases can be rather immodest (I have seen women who must have had to use a shoehorn to get into their pants).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Looks like currently bestiality is legal in five states, as it was formerly covered by sodomy laws that have been repealed. New laws in these states have been enacted or are in process and are likely to be effective next year.

    A group called Students of Objectivism for Rational Bestiality supports making sex with animals legal, but only if you own the animals (they're Libertarians of course). Given that some animal rights groups claim it should be illegal to own animals at all, things could get pretty deep pretty fast around here!
    Good grief, how strange. This side of the pond it is considered a taboo to even discuss it. (Doesn't mean it isn't going on though, perhaps that will be one of our future moral crises).

    Back to Levine, my point, not very well made, is that the law is just the base level for the behaviour of public figures. They are expected to meet higher standards than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    Thought of both, but didn't think the trousers really are necessary for modesty (more for practicality though) and in some cases can be rather immodest (I have seen women who must have had to use a shoehorn to get into their pants).
    Yes. It's gone that way. I think the fashion wheel is about to turn though, I've already seen looser trousers on many ladies in the past few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    An odd opinion. The US is now the oldest continuous government on earth, possibly excepting Switzerland. Our Constitution may have something to do with that! There are zero factions in the US (so far as I know) calling for it to be replaced. It can be amended of course, and has been from time to time.

    The Constitution came into force in 1788, and the first ten amendments (the Bill of Rights) in 1791, 226 years ago. It has since been amended 17 times, most recently in 1992. Some of these amendments are quite substantial and include items such as the basis for federal taxation, freedom and citizenship for former slaves, and female suffrage.
    False. There are several contenders much older. Often people try to disqualify governments because of transition from monarchy to republic, even though they have remained essentially the same. Also minor legal changes, but all those amendments are also alterations that disrupt the continuity. Not to mention the civil War where states declared secession!

    England's slow transition with essentially the same system is far older. 1600s. We had cromwell and a civil war, but did I mention you also had a massive civil war?

    It's not such an odd opinion really is it?

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