Classical Music Forum banner

The Classical Music Project, #3001 and Beyond (Polling Edition!)

27K views 359 replies 15 participants last post by  science 
#1 · (Edited)
THE PROJECT

The goal of this project is to create an ordered list of works recommended by TalkClassical members. Here is a website with the results so far in the various subpages. Help us out!

HOW TO VOTE

You can vote once per day. Everybody votes for works on the "board". When a work becomes popular enough, it's moved to the list of recommended works.

The voting template looks like this:

After

My vote

(UPDATED BOARD)

Nominated

Seconded
Here's how to fill it out, plus some new rules for the new times:

1. Go to the end of the thread and find the most recent vote. Put the voter's username under "After".

2. Vote for one work: either seconding a work already on the nominated list or nominating an entirely new work of your choosing. New works must not already be included in the overall "enshrined" list, shown alphabetically in the following several posts as well as that same website.

If you nominated a work, add it to the "Nominated" section like this: "Composer: Title - My username". If you voted for something in the "Nominated" section, move it to the end of the "Seconded" list, removing the username attached. No need to vote for works already on the "Seconded" list in this thread.

3. Include an "Updated board" in your post if you can: copy the board from the most recent post, and simply update it as in Step 2.

4. Once the "Seconded" list reaches at least 15 works, I or another member will create an accompanying poll thread with those 15 works asking for users to select their preferred work(s).

5. After a week or so, the polled pieces will be added to the overall list in the order of their received votes. Any ties will be broken by the chronological order in which the pieces were seconded, from oldest to newest.

TIPS

1. Vote for the works that you like and want to recommend, even if others disagree. Everyone's participation is valued.

2. The list of recommendations is not meant as an official, objective canon of Western art music. It simply reflects what we as a group like.

3. If you vote often, we encourage you to spread your votes around different works that you like, rather than repeatedly voting for one.

4. It is generally courteous not to vote for works in second place as that would inhibit expedient enshrinements.

FINAL NOTES

1. Shorter works usually recorded as a group - e.g. Chopin's nocturnes - are usually regarded as one work, so long as they're not collectively too long (not more than two or three hours). If there's doubt about this, we'll discuss it.

2. If there's an inconsistency between a person's votes and their "Updated board", we'll change the board to reflect the votes.

3. This project has been running for a while, so most of the really popular works have already been recommended. Feel free to recommend something obscure!

Special thanks to all of our regular voters for their continual contributions and support!
 
See less See more
#53 ·
After Portamento:

2nd Honegger

Nominated:
Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981 - Casebearer
Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6) - Casebearer
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Stockhausen - Oktophonie
2. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
3. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
 
#54 ·
After Casebearer

Nom Bach

Nominated:
Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981 - Casebearer
Bach - Leipzig Chorales, BWV 651–668 (1740–1750) - leonsm
Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6) - Casebearer
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Stockhausen - Oktophonie
2. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
3. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
 
#55 · (Edited)
After leonsm (the Bach is already enshrined, so I'm removing it from the board):

Nom Rzewski

Nominated:
Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981 - Casebearer
Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6) - Casebearer
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Rzewski: North American Ballads - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Stockhausen - Oktophonie
2. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
3. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)

Also: Stockhausen's Oktophonie is part of Dienstag aus Licht (enshrined).
 
#56 ·
Yes, that's right. Thanks for the corrections once again!

How about some Fujikura in lieu of the Stockhausen?

Nominated:
Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981 - Casebearer
Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6) - Casebearer
Fujikura: Sparking Orbit - Trout
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Rzewski: North American Ballads - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
 
#57 ·
after Trout:

Chin seconded

Nominated:
Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981 - Casebearer
Fujikura: Sparking Orbit - Trout
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Rzewski: North American Ballads - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
 
#58 ·
After science:

2nd Fujikura

Nominated:
Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981 - Casebearer
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Rzewski: North American Ballads - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
 
#59 ·
After Portamento:

2nd Rzewski

Nominated:
Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981 - Casebearer
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
 
#60 ·
After Trout:

Nom Varese

Nominated:
Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981 - Casebearer
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento
Varèse: Poème électronique - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
 
#63 ·
After Portamento:


Nominated:

Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento
Varèse: Poème électronique - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
6. Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981
 
#65 ·
after KH: seconding Varese

Nominated:
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento


Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
6. Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981
7. Varèse: Poème électronique
 
#68 · (Edited)
It's Kjetil's post (#63); he didn't write "2nd Andriessen".

--

After science:

Nom Zweers

Nominated:
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento
Zweers: Symphony #3 in B-flat - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
6. Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981
7. Varèse: Poème électronique

--

The four works which are left to be seconded are all 'worthy' of being enshrined.

-Louis Glass is a composer who is talked about from time to time on this forum. His 5th Symphony is IMO one of his best works (and given it's 1918 composition date not affiliated with the Nazi Party at all!).

-Jonathan Harvey is a sorely underrated composer - perhaps because he (apparently) shunned self-promotion. Anyways, Speakings is one of his masterworks and a sequel to Body Mandala if I am remember correctly.

-Then there's Tubin, another formidable 20th-century syphonist. I plan to nominate a few more of his works which I really like, so... stay tuned.

-Zweers: possibly the best Dutch symphony (alongside Klenau's 9th?).

Well, I'm tired of typing.... there's my spiel.
 
#70 ·
After Portamento's informative post:
Nom Weber

Nominated:
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento
Zweers: Symphony #3 in B-flat - Portamento
Weber: Bassoon Concerto in F, op. 75 (1811) - science

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
6. Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981
7. Varèse: Poème électronique
 
#72 · (Edited)
After science:

Nom Ferneyhough

Nominated:
Ferneyhough: La chute d'Icare - Portamento
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento
Weber: Bassoon Concerto in F, op. 75 (1811) - science
Zweers: Symphony #3 in B-flat - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
6. Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981
7. Varèse: Poème électronique
 
#73 ·
After Portamento:

Nom Vierne

Nominated:
Ferneyhough: La chute d'Icare - Portamento
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento
Vierne: Messe Solennelle in C sharp minor, Op. 16 (1900) - Leonsm
Weber: Bassoon Concerto in F, op. 75 (1811) - science
Zweers: Symphony #3 in B-flat - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
6. Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981
7. Varèse: Poème électronique
 
#74 ·
I promised to come up with some ideas. Here are preliminary versions of them. Together we might turn them into useful ideas.

First, I think Bulldog has a point: a list of 3.000 puts most people of (not me). But the list has grown so big it maybe should be made more accessible. For instance by also presenting it in subsections, e.d. by period. I saw there is a ranked list of post-1950 works. That's nice but it would be much more accessible if it was organized per composer.

I think apart from that it would also be nice to have a list of post-2000 works (of course the same goes for other periods). With such lists the people that have contributed to modern classical threads over the past months (several threads) could maybe be effectively invited to join the project because they can see at a glance what they are missing in the list of 3.000.
 
#75 ·
I promised to come up with some ideas. Here are preliminary versions of them. Together we might turn them into useful ideas.

First, I think Bulldog has a point: a list of 3.000 puts most people of (not me). But the list has grown so big it maybe should be made more accessible. For instance by also presenting it in subsections, e.d. by period. I saw there is a ranked list of post-1950 works. That's nice but it would be much more accessible if it was organized per composer.

I think apart from that it would also be nice to have a list of post-2000 works (of course the same goes for other periods). With such lists the people that have contributed to modern classical threads over the past months (several threads) could maybe be effectively invited to join the project because they can see at a glance what they are missing in the list of 3.000.
It's tough to do anything with a list of 3000 things. It's just a lot of stuff. I had originally arranged it in order of enshrinement, and I still believe in that, but it's so hard to look at.
 
#76 ·
after leonsm: nom Mennin

Nominated:
Ferneyhough: La chute d'Icare - Portamento
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Mennin: Moby Dick - science
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento
Vierne: Messe Solennelle in C sharp minor, Op. 16 (1900) - Leonsm
Weber: Bassoon Concerto in F, op. 75 (1811) - science
Zweers: Symphony #3 in B-flat - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
6. Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981
7. Varèse: Poème électronique
 
#77 ·
After science:

Nom Britten

Nominated:
Britten: Death in Venice - Portamento
Ferneyhough: La chute d'Icare - Portamento
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Mennin: Moby Dick - science
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento
Vierne: Messe Solennelle in C sharp minor, Op. 16 (1900) - Leonsm
Weber: Bassoon Concerto in F, op. 75 (1811) - science
Zweers: Symphony #3 in B-flat - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
6. Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981
7. Varèse: Poème électronique

I haven't heard the Mennin - I'll have to give it a listen sometime this week (and I won't nominate anything else until then!).
 
#79 ·
Please make a correction.

========================

Haydn, Franz Joseph:
Requiem in C minor "Missa pro defuncto Archiepiscopo Sigismundo"

Haydn, Michael:
Andante with Variations in F minor, Hob.XVII/6 "Un piccolo divertimento"
Cello Concerto #1 in C, Hob.VIIb/1
Cello Concerto #2 in D, Hob.VIIb/2
Die Jahreszeiten (The Seasons), Hob.XXI/3
Die Schöpfung (The Creation), Hob.XXI/2
Mass #11 in D minor "Missa in Angustiis", "Lord Nelson Mass"
Mass #14 in B-flat "Harmoniemesse"
Mass #9 in C "Missa in tempore b
 
#82 ·
after Port: second Britten

Nominated:
Ferneyhough: La chute d'Icare - Portamento
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Mennin: Moby Dick - science
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento
Vierne: Messe Solennelle in C sharp minor, Op. 16 (1900) - Leonsm
Weber: Bassoon Concerto in F, op. 75 (1811) - science
Zweers: Symphony #3 in B-flat - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
6. Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981
7. Varèse: Poème électronique
8. Britten: Death in Venice
 
#85 ·
after Science

Nom Boulez

Nominated:
Boulez: Le Visage Nuptial - Mika
Ferneyhough: La chute d'Icare - Portamento
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Mennin: Moby Dick - science
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento
Vierne: Messe Solennelle in C sharp minor, Op. 16 (1900) - Leonsm
Weber: Bassoon Concerto in F, op. 75 (1811) - science
Zweers: Symphony #3 in B-flat - Portamento

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
6. Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981
7. Varèse: Poème électronique
8. Britten: Death in Venice
 
#87 ·
after Mika

Sec Zweers

Nominated:
Boulez: Le Visage Nuptial - Mika
Ferneyhough: La chute d'Icare - Portamento
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Mennin: Moby Dick - science
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento
Vierne: Messe Solennelle in C sharp minor, Op. 16 (1900) - Leonsm
Weber: Bassoon Concerto in F, op. 75 (1811) - science

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
6. Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981
7. Varèse: Poème électronique
8. Britten: Death in Venice
9. Zweers: Symphony #3 in B-flat
 
#94 ·
You should do it! I'd like to see it too.

Trout did something like that up to 2900, though he only shows the results on his site. Skip down to the paragraph that says:

Here is also the scoreboard by era (as of #2900). This is also somewhat arbitrary as this was determined by essentially designating each composer to a certain era and tallying the results. Dates were only looked up for borderline composers and for determining works composed after 1975, and so the dates given are only guidelines for the time period of each era.
If you do it, you can be sure it's done right!
 
#90 ·
After Portamento:

Nom Szymanowski

Nominated:
Ferneyhough: La chute d'Icare - Portamento
Glass, L.: Symphony #5 in C, op. 57 "Sinfonia Svastika" - Portamento
Harvey: Speakings - Portamento
Mennin: Moby Dick - science
Szymanowski: String Quartet #1, op. 37 - calvinpv
Tubin: Symphony #2 in B minor "Legendaarne (The Legendary)" - Portamento
Vierne: Messe Solennelle in C sharp minor, Op. 16 (1900) - Leonsm
Weber: Bassoon Concerto in F, op. 75 (1811) - science

Seconded:
1. Röntgen: Violin Concerto #1 in A minor (1902)
2. Honegger - Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher (Joan of Arc at the Stake)
3. Chin: Le Chant des Enfants des Étoiles (2015-6)
4. Fujikura: Sparking Orbit
5. Rzewski: North American Ballads
6. Andriessen: De Tijd (Time), 1980-1981
7. Varèse: Poème électronique
8. Britten: Death in Venice
9. Zweers: Symphony #3 in B-flat
10. Boulez: Le Visage Nuptial
 
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top