View Poll Results: The Best English Composer? (excluding modernists)

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  • Edward Elgar

    19 31.15%
  • Henry Purcell

    8 13.11%
  • William Byrd

    9 14.75%
  • Thomas Tallis

    6 9.84%
  • Ralph Vaughan-Williams

    19 31.15%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bach View Post
    Elgar is of an older, romantic tradition - whereas RVW belongs to the English impressionist movement..
    They're both distinct yes? I've not heard enough of RVW to comment,must change that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bach View Post
    Elgar is of an older, romantic tradition - whereas RVW belongs to the English impressionist movement..
    RVW an impressionist? Hmmm..perhaps some pieces like, for example, "Five Variants on Dives and Lazarus." That piece, in my opinion, leaves me with the impression of England. "In The Fen Country," "The Lark Ascending," and "Fantasia on a Theme of Thomas Tallis" could also be seen as impressionistic.

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    He uses distinctly Ravelian harmony in most of his music. Symphony No. 5 and the Phantasy Quintet as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bach View Post
    He uses distinctly Ravelian harmony in most of his music. Symphony No. 5 and the Phantasy Quintet as well...
    Well Ravel was his teacher for a few months, so that's bound to rub off somewhere.

    Symphony No. 5 does demonstrate Ravel-like harmonies, but it also demonstrates Ravel-like orchestration too, especially the Scherzo movement.

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    Yeah, but far more clumsy and - well - I don't think Ravel would have been too thrilled..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bach View Post
    Yeah, but far more clumsy and - well - I don't think Ravel would have been too thrilled..
    Clumsy? You mean like most of your opinions about Mahler, Bruckner, and anybody else that you don't like?

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    Oh dear.. Bruckner, what a ghastly vulgarity. Let us not speak of such a foul individual again.

    One only need use their ears to hear the clumsiness of RVW's orchestration when pitched against Ravel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bach View Post
    Oh dear.. Bruckner, what a ghastly vulgarity. Let us not speak of such a foul individual again.

    One only need use their ears to hear the clumsiness of RVW's orchestration when pitched against Ravel.
    Oh no lets do talk of Bruckner. His 4th symphony is sublime,a fine piece. And your friend Wagner did say of Bruckner,He's my man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdelykleon View Post
    Ooops, sorry, but have you ever noticed that the "m" is near the "n" in almost every keyboard. But the final "n" doesn't make him any more representative.
    It's OK, although I meant the superfluous hyphen primarily.
    And he's very representative.
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    I had to go with Tallis.
    It was really close with Byrd, though.. I agree about the Masses being absolutely fabulous..
    But there's something about Tallis that really strikes a chord with me..
    Anyway, I've never been way into Elgar or RVW, and Purcell is only really great when considered within Baroque music, imo..
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    I haven't see many German, French, Russian, Italian, Spanish orchestras playing RWV. A composer who doesn't exist outside his country's border cannot be called representative in any way. Britten is a far, far more representative English composer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bach View Post
    Oh dear.. Bruckner, what a ghastly vulgarity. Let us not speak of such a foul individual again.

    One only need use their ears to hear the clumsiness of RVW's orchestration when pitched against Ravel.
    Not everyone can be a master of orchestration like Ravel, Berlioz, Rimsky-Korsakov or Richard Strauss.

    Anyway, your opinions are exactly what they are: opinions. I'd like to see your orchestration for a 100 piece orchestra. Let me and Tapkaara look over it and I'll tell you if it's good or not. How about that? Let's see your masterful orchestration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Oh no lets do talk of Bruckner. His 4th symphony is sublime,a fine piece. And your friend Wagner did say of Bruckner,He's my man!
    Wagner would say that of anyone who sucked his todger as hard as Bruckner.

    Oh, don't apply that silly puerile 'if you can't do it then don't diss it' argument, Mirror.. please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdelykleon View Post
    I haven't see many German, French, Russian, Italian, Spanish orchestras playing RWV. A composer who doesn't exist outside his country's border cannot be called representative in any way. Britten is a far, far more representative English composer.
    Yeah you're right, bdelykleon, Vaughan Williams doesn't exist outside of England.

    This is probably one of the most pathetic attempts at a criticism I've ever read.

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    Why pathetic? Show me a German conductor in awe of RVW, please.

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