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    I found a nice summary of the Ring that is helping me as I work my way through my first DVD set. Had I not read this I would have been totally baffled with Walkurie as I am 40 minutes in and have yet to see any clear connection to Rheingold. But with this article giving the missing details of what happens between the two operas I can watch in contentment.

    http://www.well.com/user/woodman/sin...ing/story.html
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    There are no long Wagner operas. Only short attention spans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    I found a nice summary of the Ring that is helping me as I work my way through my first DVD set. Had I not read this I would have been totally baffled with Walkurie as I am 40 minutes in and have yet to see any clear connection to Rheingold. But with this article giving the missing details of what happens between the two operas I can watch in contentment.

    http://www.well.com/user/woodman/sin...ing/story.html
    Why don't you buy a nice book with opera synopsis and date of first performances and more background, you can find these in lots of book stores ,for a good price.
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    My favorites... Goodall, Furtwangler (both), Keilberth, Karajan, Knappertsbusch 56, Solti, Janowski, Barenboim (not as video) and my favorite video Ring- Mehta...the ones I don't care for as much. Levine (both), Haitink, Boulez (but I like it as a video)
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    I've been collecting Rings for 40 years (gulp!), and I have one full cycle for each of those years. The pedant in me says it should be 38, in that I've doubled-up on Boulez and Barenboim in that I own the CDs and DVDs, but they're different "soundtracks", so I'll count them separately.

    Favourites? I might hazard a Top Ten in no particular order: Solti, Karajan, Barenboim, Böhm, Goodall, Keilberth '54, Krauss '53, Janowski (Dresden), Furtwängler (both). That said, every set certainly has its virtues - whether vocal, orchestral or both - and I've enjoyed pretty much all of them. There are one or two exceptions, but I'm too gallant to drop names
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reichstag aus LICHT View Post
    I've been collecting Rings for 40 years (gulp!), and I have one full cycle for each of those years. The pedant in me says it should be 38, in that I've doubled-up on Boulez and Barenboim in that I own the CDs and DVDs, but they're different "soundtracks", so I'll count them separately.

    Favourites? I might hazard a Top Ten in no particular order: Solti, Karajan, Barenboim, Böhm, Goodall, Keilberth '54, Krauss '53, Janowski (Dresden), Furtwängler (both). That said, every set certainly has its virtues - whether vocal, orchestral or both - and I've enjoyed pretty much all of them. There are one or two exceptions, but I'm too gallant to drop names
    Well said. Given the number of Brit-o-philes here, I was surprised no one had thus far mentioned Goodall. Under-rated; unlike many today who shall remain nameless, a conductor who spoke through his music rather than his ego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodotsArrived View Post
    Well said. Given the number of Brit-o-philes here, I was surprised no one had thus far mentioned Goodall. Under-rated; unlike many today who shall remain nameless, a conductor who spoke through his music rather than his ego.
    With all respect, if you read all the Wagner threads you find plenty of Goodall talking.
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    I listed Goodall first on my list. A lot of the reason I love that set so much is for Hunter and Remedios. They are the ones that don't get enough credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    I listed Goodall first on my list. A lot of the reason I love that set so much is for Hunter and Remedios. They are the ones that don't get enough credit.
    Great singers, both, and Goodall's expansive tempi really allow their beautiful voices to bloom. The rest of the cast is pretty special too: Norman Bailey (Wotan), Derek Hammond-Stroud (Alberich), Gregory Dempsey (Mime), Ann Howard (Fricka), Margaret Curphey (Sieglinde) and Norman Wellsby (Gunther), to name a chosen few. I mention these in particular because each gives a superb account of their respective roles, among the very best on record in my opinion. So, too, do Hunter and Remedios, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reichstag aus LICHT View Post
    I've been collecting Rings for 40 years (gulp!), and I have one full cycle for each of those years. The pedant in me says it should be 38, in that I've doubled-up on Boulez and Barenboim in that I own the CDs and DVDs, but they're different "soundtracks", so I'll count them separately.

    Favourites? I might hazard a Top Ten in no particular order: Solti, Karajan, Barenboim, Böhm, Goodall, Keilberth '54, Krauss '53, Janowski (Dresden), Furtwängler (both). That said, every set certainly has its virtues - whether vocal, orchestral or both - and I've enjoyed pretty much all of them. There are one or two exceptions, but I'm too gallant to drop names
    Keilberth '54? Sure you don't mean '55?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Keilberth '54? Sure you don't mean '55?
    Good catch! If only I had a complete recording of Keilberth's 1954 Ring, I'd be a very happy bunny

    I meant his 1955 cycle, of course. Slip of the finger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Keilberth '54? Sure you don't mean '55?
    Sharp as ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reichstag aus LICHT View Post
    Good catch! If only I had a complete recording of Keilberth's 1954 Ring, I'd be a very happy bunny

    I meant his 1955 cycle, of course. Slip of the finger.
    Me too. That and Kna's '55 Parsifal would be quite the coup. I have the '54 Walkure and it's not the best quality but in the absence of anything better it will suffice unto the day.
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    There is no perfect Ring cycle nor could there be. The challenge of the thing in casting and recording is really quite incredible. The best conducted and played and recorded Ring has to be Karajan's. However, there are some quirks of casting which some find more difficult than I do.
    Solti's is of course the most famous with a fabulously cast and conducted Gotterdamerung. But his Wotan (Hotter) is a distinct liability in parts of Siegfried as his voice had by then almost gone and in Walkure it is disastrous in spite of his experience and artistry. Nilsson is a phenomenon but I do find her somewhat chilly.
    I find Janowski 1 a pretty good all round set although Altmeyer's Brunnhilde is a bit strained.
    Bohm is very swift and I don't like the Bayreuth recording. But he certainly strikes sparks. The cast is pretty good although somewhat elderly by that time. Some swear by it but not me.
    Krauss would be the ideal Ring if it had been recorded by Decca engineers 10 years later. As it is the sound is just not up to modern standards. But a great performance with a great cast all the same. Listen to the real Hotter Wotan here!

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    Here is a Ring that has not been mentioned yet.


    https://www.melbarecordings.com.au/c...des-nibelungen
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    There are no long Wagner operas. Only short attention spans.

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    This appears to be one excellent Ring. This one from 1968 live performance. (sound clips to Walkure):


    Can get the whole ring in this live performance, but it will be expensive, about $278 plus $16 shipping on Amazon.
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BLI5D2
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BLI5DC
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000C1OZ12
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000C1OZ1C

    But if you open the four links given in this page There is a streaming link for each opera and you can listen to all of it.
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    There are no long Wagner operas. Only short attention spans.

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