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    Just found this discography site for Wagner and they list a lot or Ring cycles:

    https://wagnerdisco.net/
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    Check this out for top rated Ring cycles. They have top 3 studio, top 3 live, and top 3 overall. Do you generally agree, disagree or what? What cycles do you think should be in those top 3.

    http://www.the-wagnerian.com/2014/03...e-winners.html
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    For me it is always performance over sound. Over time, sound quality becomes less important.

    1. Furtwangler 1950
    2. Furtwangler 1953
    3. Knappertsbusch 1956
    4. Krauss 1953
    5. Keilberth 1955
    6. Bohm
    7. Solti

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    For me it is always performance over sound. Over time, sound quality becomes less important.

    1. Furtwangler 1950
    2. Furtwangler 1953
    3. Knappertsbusch 1956
    4. Krauss 1953
    5. Keilberth 1955
    6. Bohm
    7. Solti
    So of those you have listed, I believe the sound quality is quite good for Bohm and Solti, but I see them at the bottom of your list, though that list may not be in order of preference.

    But of the first five, which is the best sound? I am curious because I am listening to a very good remaster of Krauss right now. It is very good, but sound quality is not quite where I like it. Would Keilberth, Kna or one of the Furts be better?
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    Unfortunately neither Furt is well recorded. Kna, Krauss, and Keilberth are all a step up in sound quality. The Keilberth is stereo, and might be the best choice of the early Rings based on just that alone. However, the new Orfeo remastering of the Krauss is so good that I must say it may be the best Ring of all when performance and sound are weighed equally. It really depends on how much you value stereo over mono. Otherwise to my ear the Keilberth and newly remastered Krauss sound roughly equal sonicly, with Krauss getting the nod for being a more engaging performance.

    Frankly after these earlier recordings, Solti and Bohm bore me too much despite the superior sound quality. In fact I consider the Solti the only one of the two worth having just so I can have a top notch sounding Ring if I ever need it. If these were the only two Rings available however, I would choose Bohm.

    Of course for me Furtwangler's 1950 La Scala Ring still draws me in like no other. With an opera tale this long, sound quality concern diminishes over time, and you want a performance that keeps you engaged. The Gebhardt release has the best sound. It's not that the sound quality is bad to distraction. It's just not on par with the others mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    Unfortunately neither Furt is well recorded. Kna, Krauss, and Keilberth are all a step up in sound quality. The Keilberth is stereo, and might be the best choice of the early Rings based on just that alone. However, the new Orfeo remastering of the Krauss is so good that I must say it may be the best Ring of all when performance and sound are weighed equally. It really depends on how much you value stereo over mono. Otherwise to my ear the Keilberth and newly remastered Krauss sound roughly equal sonicly, with Krauss getting the nod for being a more engaging performance.

    Frankly after these earlier recordings, Solti and Bohm bore me too much despite the superior sound quality. In fact I consider the Solti the only one of the two worth having just so I can have a top notch sounding Ring if I ever need it. If these were the only two Rings available however, I would choose Bohm.

    Of course for me Furtwangler's 1950 La Scala Ring still draws me in like no other. With an opera tale this long, sound quality concern diminishes over time, and you want a performance that keeps you engaged. The Gebhardt release has the best sound. It's not that the sound quality is bad to distraction. It's just not on par with the others mentioned.
    Latest Orfeo Krauss and Gebhardt Furtwangler Rings have been surpassed in sound quality (I used to own them) by the amazing restorations of Andrew Rose for Pristine XR, makes them even more valuable Rings by uncovering large amounts of fine detail previously masked or obscured, it is quite remarkable and a gift from the opera god for wagner fans.....

    There are extended high quality sound samples at Pristine website, reviewer comments:

    http://www.musicweb-international.co...paco039-41.htm


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