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    hi

    i'm a great fan of the ring des nibelungen by wagner.
    any other fans?

    my complete ring cycles on cd:
    -edition Herbert Von Karajan
    -edition Georg Solti
    -edition Pierre Boulez
    -edition James Levine

    my complete ring cycles on lp:
    -edition Wilhelm Furtwängler
    -edition Herbert Von Karajan
    -edition Georg Solti

    any other good editions available?

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    I think there may be one or two other fans of Wagner on this forum . . .

    Der Ring des Nibelungen was my first opera experience and I watched all four operas back to back. It took nearly a week. I was never once bored -- in fact the experience held me captivated.

    I must admit to being a little disappointed in the Siegfreid's Death and Funeral music section because I was comparing it to the same music used to far more epic effect in a similar scene in John Boorman's Excalibur. It is more epic than the Götterdämmerung production I was watching anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by svsvdb View Post
    i'm a great fan of the ring des nibelungen by wagner.
    any other fans?
    Yes!

    Quote Originally Posted by svsvdb View Post
    any other good editions available?
    I'd recommend: Haitink, Bohm, Keilberth ('55, Testament), Goodall (English libretto, really good).
    Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.

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    For me, the Solti is still the recorded cycle to have. He seems to realise that the work is a music drama as well as an epic work. I understand some people feel he overstates the excitement but for me his is a reading that truly returns the cycle to the the narrative arena aftter the Nazi associations and enables the listener to hear the work anew.

    However, it is worth supplementing the CD set with the stupendous Boulez/Chereau Bayreuth production on DVD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston View Post
    I think there may be one or two other fans of Wagner on this forum . . .
    Umm, yeah... hi.

    My 'go-to' cycle remains Solti- but Keilberth 1955 contains my favorite Siegfried.
    Not, I hasten to add, that I think there's anything really wrong with Solti's Siegfried.

    Since you can get Böhm's Ring Cycle as part of the "Wagner Cube" [a box set titled "Wagner- Great Operas from the Bayreuth Festival," on Decca] and get all 10 canonical Wagner operas for c. $70.00 (or less, haven't checked prices since I got mine over a year ago), the Böhm tops the chart of bargain recommendations.

    I normally try not to pan Ring Cycle recordings- but a caution should be entered into the record concerning Haitink and Goodall. The oft-cited stumbling block with the Haitink is a sub-optimal Brünnhilde. Die Walküre and Götterdämmerung, particularly, suffer when this condition is present. Goodall is hampered by some truly distortive tempi- especially in Götterdämmerung. He takes so much longer than anyone else that once, when calculating average times for certain select Wagner opera recordings, I simply threw his time out. If I'd added it, I would have gotten an average that indicated that Götterdämmerung took longer than Meistersinger!
    ["The abominable slowman!" once quipped Wagner academic and author John Deathridge.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodenhead View Post
    For me, the Solti is still the recorded cycle to have. He seems to realise that the work is a music drama as well as an epic work. I understand some people feel he overstates the excitement but for me his is a reading that truly returns the cycle to the the narrative arena aftter the Nazi associations and enables the listener to hear the work anew.

    However, it is worth supplementing the CD set with the stupendous Boulez/Chereau Bayreuth production on DVD.
    Visually, Boulez's Ring is good. For the musical punch from the orchestra, no one has improved on Solti. Why is Solti rued for the overstatement of excitement? He has brought vigour and I am sure his is a worthy offering. Many pooh his Mahler's Eighth but frankly I haven't come across a crisper and heavyweight recording than that...

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    I've been looking at Boulez' Ring cycle (mostly because I think I'll be given the Solti cycle toward the end of this month). Boulez has risen from being one of my very least favorites to one of my top 5 conductors.

    I've heard the Bohm Ring (from the Wagner Cube CTP has above mentioned), and while I liked it, it was completely blown out of the water by a Met broadcast of Das Rheingold, James Levine conducting, and it seriously made Bohm's sound practically monochrome as far as how magical the orchestra sounded. I'm not sure about the soloists, but the orchestra seems so much... more in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston View Post
    I think there may be one or two other fans of Wagner on this forum . . .

    Der Ring des Nibelungen was my first opera experience and I watched all four operas back to back. It took nearly a week. I was never once bored -- in fact the experience held me captivated.

    I must admit to being a little disappointed in the Siegfreid's Death and Funeral music section because I was comparing it to the same music used to far more epic effect in a similar scene in John Boorman's Excalibur. It is more epic than the Götterdämmerung production I was watching anyway.
    Are you refering to the Death of Arthur scene in Excalibur? Do you know what the title of the original music is?

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    my ring - a mix of solti/karajan on lp and the janowski cd set.

    dj

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/classica...cordings.shtml

    This is a very comprehensive and accurate roundup of the current ring offerings available. I especially agree with the "I wonder how many people still manage to survive listening to it through" concerning Solti's Ring, considering how lacking his Walküre is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david johnson View Post
    my ring - a mix of solti/karajan on lp and the janowski cd set.

    dj
    I've just finished listening to the janowski set and was entranced (my first listen through as opposed to many watch-throughs).
    Natalie

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    Keilberth '55
    Knapppertsbusch '56
    Solti
    Barenboim DVD
    Furtwängler '53 (would be higher if sound were better)
    von Karajan
    Krauss '53
    Levine/Boulez DVD

    is probably my order today (it will change). I still have to listen to the budget Böhm that I picked up recently and I'd like to hear the early 40's Met Ring and the '60 Kempe Bayreuth Ring. And there are many individual recordings worth sampling (Haitink Rheingold/Furtwängler studio Walküre/De Billy Rheingold DVD/Mehta Siegfried DVD).

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    I'm looking at getting this set next month; EMI are re-releasing it at a reduced price for the 125th anniversary of the Ring.



    It's the RAI Furwangler Ring, with Martha Modl, Suthaus, and so on.

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    Krauss '53 from Bayreuth

    The Furtwangler '53 from Rome (I am listening to the '50 La Scala in bits to see how I like it in comparison).

    '55 Keilberth from Bayreuth remains my overall favorite because it is a staged performance, but in decent stereo from the 50s, and with many of the main singers in younger voice than for Solti. I also like Varnay overall as Brunnhilde, but am nearly as fond of Nilsson and Modl.

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    mmm.....

    Pierre Boulez? Pierre Boulez! Why in heaven have you choosen Pierre Boulez?...pierre boulez....

    A very personal interpretation of Der Ring...Very personal Das is not Wagner! It is Boulez' Ring.

    Martin

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