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    Really, really struggle with Xenakis ! Am trying this minute, thanks to recommendation on the thread, Polla Ta Dhina...thinking that anything for children's choir can't be too hideously obscure....well, just about !
    'A l'ile de Goree' is the only other piece so far that I've managed to sit through. Any other thoughts welcome !

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjvinthechair View Post
    Really, really struggle with Xenakis ! Am trying this minute, thanks to recommendation on the thread, Polla Ta Dhina...thinking that anything for children's choir can't be too hideously obscure....well, just about !
    'A l'ile de Goree' is the only other piece so far that I've managed to sit through. Any other thoughts welcome !
    Try these:





    The first is solo piano, the second is more of a soundscape that takes ideas of space in to account. You won't get the full effect just from a stereo recording, but hopefully you'll be able to enjoy the atmosphere of the piece before long. Speaking of which, if you're struggling with Xenakis, it might be a good idea to approach his work as though it were an atmosphere rather than a composition (note that this approach may also help you with the Ligeti pieces you were struggling with). Of course, it could be that modern/contemporary music just isn't for you, nonetheless I respect you for wanting to give it a fair shot.
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    Love, love, love Xenakis. I can really recommend Edition RZ's Xenakis release. It's real great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crudblud View Post
    Try these:





    The first is solo piano, the second is more of a soundscape that takes ideas of space in to account. You won't get the full effect just from a stereo recording, but hopefully you'll be able to enjoy the atmosphere of the piece before long. Speaking of which, if you're struggling with Xenakis, it might be a good idea to approach his work as though it were an atmosphere rather than a composition (note that this approach may also help you with the Ligeti pieces you were struggling with). Of course, it could be that modern/contemporary music just isn't for you, nonetheless I respect you for wanting to give it a fair shot.
    Many thanks for trying. Did listen, honest...OK not to all of it; but have to say I'm defeated. Like more 'modern' music than I used to - quite a few Americans, many Baltic etc., but it's not going to happen just yet with Xenakis, and as for Ligeti, well, I just revel in my ignorance of him & 'his kind' ! Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjvinthechair View Post
    Many thanks for trying. Did listen, honest...OK not to all of it; but have to say I'm defeated. Like more 'modern' music than I used to - quite a few Americans, many Baltic etc., but it's not going to happen just yet with Xenakis, and as for Ligeti, well, I just revel in my ignorance of him & 'his kind' ! Sorry.
    Perhaps you will come back to it with a different perspective in the future, but the important thing is that you tried, and as I said before I respect you for doing so.

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    S.709!!!!!!!!!!!
    It's the greed of huge companies and huge organizations which control life in a kind of a brutal way ... It's gotten worse and worse, somehow, because physical science has given us more and more terrible deadly weapons, and the human spirit has been destroyed in so many cases, so what's the use of having the most powerful country in the world if we have killed the soul.
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    The last minute is Xenakis at it's most beautiful and (almost) tonal:


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    Amazing piece!: Keqrops (for piano and orchestra)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFOUBHJp3Ms

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    After reading this thread all I have to say is...

    Ok, you've got me pumped up. I want to get into xenakis!
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    Quote Originally Posted by niv View Post
    After reading this thread all I have to say is...

    Ok, you've got me pumped up. I want to get into xenakis!
    After an hour, you will say I want to get away from Xenakis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niv View Post
    After reading this thread all I have to say is...

    Ok, you've got me pumped up. I want to get into xenakis!
    You can try the piece I mentioned, Keqrops. I think it's one of the more "accessible". This version by Abbado is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc3ZV9cSZC0

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoshredder View Post
    After an hour, you will say I want to get away from Xenakis.
    I guess I'm more patient, I'll think I can endure a lil more than an hour. Having listened quite a bit in youtube I have to say it's very abstract, but it seems the kind of music you need to give yourself time to savour.

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    I've recently really gotten into Xenakis again, especially his orchestral works and especially "Ata."
    It's the greed of huge companies and huge organizations which control life in a kind of a brutal way ... It's gotten worse and worse, somehow, because physical science has given us more and more terrible deadly weapons, and the human spirit has been destroyed in so many cases, so what's the use of having the most powerful country in the world if we have killed the soul.
    ~Hovhaness

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComposerOfAvantGarde View Post
    I've recently really gotten into Xenakis again, especially his orchestral works and especially "Ata."
    I listened to that too recently. It's one of the ones in which he applied cellular automatons, apparently.

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