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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro View Post
    I am completely serious, I have to come onto the internet to find other people with a passion for classical music like myself. Everywhere I go in my home town or around school it's all rock, metal, rap, country, those sorts of things. When I say I like classical to anybody they all give me strange looks, act like i'm retarded, then say classical is retard music because there aren't any lyrics. So, why do people hate Classical these days?
    The masses have always rejected form, uniformity and class in all ages. They will follow the worms of the cesspool more than the lilies of the field.

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    Default Younger Generation....

    I am amazed that there are younger kids who love classical music out there. My daughter knows many her age four who play violin.

    Her teacher is young and there are many who play in the student symphony here. Just look on line at say Strings Magazine, there have a youth version I believe.

    Yes, it can be true that it could appear no one in a particular school likes classical. It was that way for me when I was in High School. You just have to seek out a group outside the school to get connected to.

    I don't really want this to come across to snobbish. I went to a very small High School and most did not go on to college. There can have there music and pathetic live, I did even attend graduation. I have never fit in however today I am a successful CPA. I am not better, but as I got older I did find more people who shared my interests.
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    this is a trend something like... maybe "Church" and "Science"...

    people are "frustrated" in the ever-more-competitive and populated world crowded with human species...
    modern tunes and the way of their presentation give the mass a venue to outlet.

    also, come on, some "symphonies" are terrible in melody and structure...

    "human nature" tends to appreciate the "first tuneful impression"...

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    I think it's impossible to hate classical. The only people I met that claimed to "hate classical" were just popular teenagers from my school who refuse to listen to it because it's not 'cool'. When it's obvious that they only say that, because classical music is often seen nowadays as music for old people.
    I think the ones who call themselves 'classical music haters', simply refuse to try to understand classical music before judging it.

    Reminds me when I made one of my classmates who "hated classical" from school listen to the whole 4th movement of Beethoven's 9th. There was even a moment I asked him if he wanted me to fast forward to the most 'famous' part and he just said no, because he was enjoying it. Then classmate number 2 came in and said the music we were listening to was so lame and the first one agreed! In the end when classmate number 2 left, the first one told me: "Well... I actualy liked it, will you send me to my e-mail later?"
    Ridiculous! Like he's ashamed to admit he enjoyed a classical piece.

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    I never followed any trends and I could really careless if somebody likes what I like or not. I think if someone is naturally curious about music at all and show an affinity for it, then in time, they will learn to appreciate classical music.

    I was listening to Miles Davis, Bill Evans, and John Coltrane in high school. I got a lot of strange looks, but I didn't care. I think there's a certain ignorance that people have about the arts.

    Since January, I have really become more involved with classical music. I was so into jazz before classical that I finally got around to it. I've always enjoyed classical even though my knowledge of it at that time wasn't that impressive.

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    I still find it slightly odd that from a jazz background, you're not more fond of chamber music. A lot of jazz, especially your favourites - Evans, Miles, Coltrane - is closely related to chamber music. The orchestral heads are more often from a film background, not a jazz background.. just an anomaly.. not a dig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bach View Post
    I still find it slightly odd that from a jazz background, you're not more fond of chamber music. A lot of jazz, especially your favourites - Evans, Miles, Coltrane - is closely related to chamber music. The orchestral heads are more often from a film background, not a jazz background.. just an anomaly.. not a dig.
    I love a big orchestral sound. I think it should be said that I do enjoy some chamber works. Like those of Bax, Debussy, Poulenc, Saint-Saens, Mendelssohn, etc., but I'm still developing my tastes in classical music whereas my tastes in jazz are already defined. It takes me many years to finally settle on what I'm after.

    I guess it is kind of strange that since I'm from a jazz background that I'm drawn towards orchestral music. I never really thought about it. I can't really explain why I am this way and why I prefer large orchestral compositions over chamber.

    It's like I said though, my tastes are still changing, so who knows what I'll be listening to this time next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
    It takes me many years to finally settle on what I'm after
    It never settles, at least that didn't happen to me after 15 years of serious listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdelykleon View Post
    It never settles, at least that didn't happen to me after 15 years of serious listening.
    You're right. I guess we never do "settle down" so to speak in what we listen to or at least those that are serious about music and are passionate about like you and I are.

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    I think there are a number of reasons why people hate classical music, which others have touched on.

    1. 'The image problem'. Classical music is seen as elitist, snobbish, stuffy etc. This is an especially big setback in Australia, where if you have a solid grasp of pronunciation, spelling and other such nasties, you are viewed with suspicion (at least in some circles).

    2. 'Lack of a beat'. Of course a lot of classical music has exciting rhythms, but because it doesn't assault your eardrums and bash you over the head, some people can't seem to tell.

    3. 'It's really old, so therefore really boring'. I can't work out the logic here! I have heard an opinion expressed that anything that was first put out on vinyl should stay there as it therefore must be really bad. Apparently good music sprung fully formed and whole into the world some time about 1990!

    4. 'I can't sing along to it'. I could reply - 'Well, as your singing is horribly off key, that is a mercy to the world'. But that would be rude and unhelpful.

    5. You actually have to pay attention and listen. We live in a world of instant gratification, fast food, images replacing words, thoughts replaced by search engines. Anything that requires real effort, and this includes classical music, is automatically in trouble. Pop music doesn't require the effort of listening, in facts its probably best if you don't! (Though I do like some pop music, I admit).

    If only people gave themselves a chance, I believe almost everyone could come to love at least some aspects of classical music. But there is so much in the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro View Post
    Still, I could do without the, and I quote: "Your music is retarded man. It isn't even real music since there ain't any words". Classical Music has a passion, and a depth that they cannot understand and it pains and saddens me that they cannot understand it, so they hate it.
    Yeah, but you should see what they say about genres other than classical at this forum. People are always quick to judge what they don't understand. Always easier to condemn something than to admit that you 'don't get it' or that despite the fact that it may not be for you it might be of value to others. But like I said, I wouldn't single out the attitude of pop/rock/whatever fans towards classical music when it comes to that, vica versa I see the same thing.

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    "Hate" is a bit of an exaggeration, I don't think most people 'hate' classical, most probably think it's just longwinded, tedious or something. I think the reason for this because the western world isn't as sharply divided into "upper" or leisure-class and working class as it was before. So we have a lot of music made for people who have to go to work but have still enough free time for entertainment. They are often however exhausted after a day of work and don't have the energy for "serious" art or anything too attention demanding. Before there was more people in the upper classes who had devoted their life for art, and wanted something more challenging.

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    I think nowadays people prefer their music in 3- or 4-minute 'bite size' pieces. (I can't tell you how many rock or pop singles I've found recently to have six or seven-minute album versions, but that's another point). They aren't willing to sit down for an hour or so and listen to a full-length piece of music. Hence the 'excerpt' albums (with cheesy titles such as 'Romantic Classics'), which I despise! The composers never intended their great Symphonies and Concertos to have slices cut out of them. Give me the full-length work any day. The same goes for ballet and opera 'suites'. Even if they are sanctioned by the composer, I'd rather hear the full two or three-hour piece.

    PS. My apologies for digressing slightly. Mini-rant over!

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    Well I believe at the core of the problem is the lack of exposure of classical music, if classical music is shown on TV 24/7 as opposed to rap/rock MTV, then I'm sure everyone will listen to classical. People have a tendency to "go with the herd", if classical music is everywhere, people will listen to it. How can people appreciate classical music when they have never in their lives listened to it properly.

    I blame the mess media and the "fast food" culture created in the US, it seems the media is only interested in topics like celebrity gossips and other trivials things, anything slightly more intelligent and requires critical thinking is omitted..............

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    I think the main reason people don't like classical these days is because people like to simplify, make things "feel good" or whatever. Thus we make simple stories such as Harry Potter or Narnia, with just enough twists and turns to make the ending feel even better; we make life easier by making cars and TVs (with remotes, I might add) and such things as that; and we make popular music, which is the simplest of the simple: basic rhythm, extremely basic chord progressions if any, sometimes using modes instead of regular keys.

    Pop music is more viscerally exciting (what with the rhythm and such), therefore what people immediately think of as being "classical music" (Mozart, Beethoven, and such) are automatically boring because they don't have bass drums that make you hard of hearing by the age of 15.
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