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    "When a man is treated like a beast, he says, 'After all, I'm human.' When he behaves like a beast, he says, 'After all, I'm only human.' " - Karl Kraus

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    This sounds cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese View Post
    Great video, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casebearer View Post
    Great video, thanks
    Was great to George, Ruth, Ralph, Tom, etc and Frank

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    Oh Yeah!

    "When a man is treated like a beast, he says, 'After all, I'm human.' When he behaves like a beast, he says, 'After all, I'm only human.' " - Karl Kraus

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    Anyone heard the new releases, Little Dots and Meat Light? Little Dots to me was an inferior Imaginary Diseases, too much noodling, but it was good to hear the primordial Cosmik Debris in better-than-bootleg quality, and great to FINALLY see a proper release of the complete, unmitigated Rollo. Tony Duran, good a player as he was, seems to fall back on the same "stock" phrases sometimes, though during his solos... The title track was nice too, but the best bits were the theme... none of the improv in the middle really grabbed me particularly.

    Only listened to Meat Light yesterday, enjoyed it thoroughly. Blood Unit was lovely, and it's interesting to hear the Exercise #4 Variant, which the '73 band also played on Road Tapes #2. Not a big fan of Echo Pie though... left me with a similar bad taste as If We'd All Been Living in California. Intriguing as it is to hear the band disputes, I don't think it's fair to publish those recordings on an album, as the way it's framed (especially on the original UM, with The Air following immediately after) is obviously a snide way of ridiculing Jimmy Carl Black (especially considering the credits, crediting JCB with "drums... and poverty"). Ironic that FZ defended the hell out of Herb Cohen, only to get ripped off by him himself a few years down the line. Really nice to have a CD version of Uncle Meat without the penalty tracks now. Got the original vinyl, but playing that thing's more messing around than I often can be bothered with...nice as vinyl is, digital formats are definitely more convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    Little Dots to me was an inferior Imaginary Diseases; too much noodling.
    Agreed, on both points; Zappa too often exemplified the stereotype of the "endless guitar solo".
    Last edited by Jay; Dec-31-2016 at 18:38.

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    Yeah, he could be a rambler. There are times when his solos hit the spot, but other times I'm just waiting for the music to kick in again. Sometimes it's as though he's just thinking out loud (which I'm pretty sure he was, considering sometimes he'd trawl through his solos and orchestrate and elaborate upon his favourite bits - as in Mo n' Herb's Vacation and Sad Jane), but he makes up for that sometimes. But that's why I loved the Roxy Movie - he did a few pretty tasteful solos, but we mostly just got to see a great band play some great music (lovely versions of Inca Roads and Big Swifty).

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    Penalty tracks? Who came up with that stupid term? I just turn it off after King Kong. The guitar solos on Little Dots are not the greatest, but it wasn't a regular working band. It was a bunch of LA studio cats going out on the road with FZ for weekend gigs. And Frank's guitar playing improved a lot over the next several years. 1972 was not a regular touring year. He was recovering from his fall into the orchestra pit at the end of '71.
    "When a man is treated like a beast, he says, 'After all, I'm human.' When he behaves like a beast, he says, 'After all, I'm only human.' " - Karl Kraus

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Penalty tracks? Who came up with that stupid term?
    Heard it a few times, so I'm not sure, but I think it's a very apt term. On my copy - Rykodisc - I have to switch to disc 2 for King Kong, which wouldn't be a necessity if it wasn't for the boring excerpt from the Uncle Meat film. It didn't enthrall me much with visuals, but in pure audio format, it's just thoroughly and painfully unentertaining, so if that's not a penalty track, I don't know what is. So the Meat Light disc is much welcomed, I can just listen to the Uncle Meat album proper without any BS and without having to whip out the vinyl.

    And as much as I understand that about Petit Wazoo band and era, my criticism isn't particularly the guitar solos, but just the general album - most of the solos bore me a bit, Frank or not. Imaginary Diseases had great compositions - Rollo, Farther Oblivion, the title track - and I liked the solos more, too. Most of Little Dots just felt like filler. I loved having the complete Rollo, I liked Cosmik, I liked the theme from Little Dots - nothing else really sticks in my mind, though. Zappa's my favourite composer, so I want to hear his compositions, not a bunch of improvising which varies massively in quality. Overall it was a good album, but it never really comes out unless I feel like hearing Rollo. Good band, but the album just wasn't the greatest selection.

    I've found that with a few of the more recent releases actually. Road Tapes #3 had some alright moments, maybe I'll find more I like in that as I've only listened to it twice so far. Crux of the Biscuit was OK, but the highlight was decent quality '73 Yellow Snow Suite (great to hear St. Alfonzo's without Rollo Interior edited out like on One Shot Deal, and to hear Join the March). Other than that, I liked Down in the Dew. Rest was probably ok, but less than memorable (as I can't remember it, other than a Cosmik with some guitar all over it, and a bit of a different Uncle Remus). Road Tapes #2 and Roxy By Proxy were the last two I loved thoroughly and still play regularly.

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    If I had a buck and a half to blow, I'd buy a new house in the country.
    "When a man is treated like a beast, he says, 'After all, I'm human.' When he behaves like a beast, he says, 'After all, I'm only human.' " - Karl Kraus

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    Same.................................

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