Thread: anybody else like to toke up on that sweet mary jane...

Originally Posted by mueske

If with this you are implying that every marijuana user is an unambitious lazy bum, you are wrong.

By all means no - just a large percentage.

Originally Posted by mueske

It is addictive, I have seen it myself. I honestly don't care what site, article or book you quote.



And even the article says it's true. I never argued it was highly addictive.

i agree that marijuana can be addictive, but mentally addictive. this means that it falls into the same group as people addicted to television, food, work, etc.

Originally Posted by David58117

That's not what I said. I specifically said the words you like to use are "ghetto street terms." I'm sorry, but if you don't like that specific group of people who share your hobby (because marijuana is popular with low income, low ambitious groups), maybe you shouldn't be doing it.

If you're offended by it, do something that differentiates you from them, don't pick up their hobby.

Frankly, it's good that you're offended by the association, and hopefully it will propel you to become ambitious and do something with your life.

well first of all, you asked me if i wanted to be part of a culture that used words such as "baked, ect.", implying that i am part of this "culture" that you later describe as "ghetto street" since i obviously use these words myself. second of all, you seem to think that marijuana smoking is my "hobby" which it isn't. i hate to re-use an example, but once again, i wouldnt assume that someone who drinks wine does so excessivly or as a "hobby".

now you seem to think that those who smoke marijuana are lazy poor people who sit around all day with a bag of potato chips watching television. that is just a huge stereotypical generalization. you seem to think that anyone who smokes marijuana is a chronic user, similar to an alcoholic and that they all just waste away in their sub-par existence for the rest of their life. well, this is obviously not true, i hate to be cliche and use this as an example, but its the first one to pop into my head: Michael Phelps, the Olympic champion smokes marijuana. hes obviously not an underachiever or anything of the sort, but according to you hes a member of the same lazy, low income, ghetto culture that you have lumped me into.

now on that note, i would like to address the last line of your post. of course im offended by the association, you're practically calling me a lazy, low- income, underachiever and likewise assuming "that im not doing anything with my life" which is laughably steriotypical since you only know two things about me:
1: i like classical music
2: i smoke marijuana
i think one should know more about someone before making such assumptions.

Originally Posted by somerandomdude

i agree that marijuana can be addictive, but mentally addictive. this means that it falls into the same group as people addicted to television, food, work, etc.

I would say it is addictive in both ways, depending on how much you consume that is. I have seen people getting annoyed and irritated by a lack of consumption of marijuana, as well as physical symptoms; a feeling of unease, nausea and vomiting.

It all comes down to how much one consumes. The consumption rate of the people I'm talking about lies far above what you consume (judging from your posts) or what any 'casual' (for a lack of a better term) user consumes. Those people aren't the norm of course, but it does mean it is addictive. Though I do agree that mental addiction is more prevalent.

Originally Posted by mueske

I would say it is addictive in both ways, depending on how much you consume that is. I have seen people getting annoyed and irritated by a lack of consumption of marijuana, as well as physical symptoms; a feeling of unease, nausea and vomiting.

i know that chronic smokers, when deprived of marijuana feel weird and a little grouchy when deprived of the drug, since they're used to being high all the time. this may i add, is nothing that you wouldn't expect from someone who hasn't had their usual cup of coffee in the morning. i however have never encountered ANYONE to have physical withdrawal symptoms, especially to the extent of vomiting. of course im not calling you a liar, im just saying that from my experience its unheard of.

Originally Posted by somerandomdude

i know that chronic smokers, when deprived of marijuana feel weird and a little grouchy when deprived of the drug, since they're used to being high all the time. this may i add, is nothing that you wouldn't expect from someone who hasn't had their usual cup of coffee in the morning. i however have never encountered ANYONE to have physical withdrawal symptoms, especially to the extent of vomiting. of course im not calling you a liar, im just saying that from my experience its unheard of.

Not excessive vomiting of course, nevertheless it was there. It could of course have been caused by a psychological effect due to anxiety and the stress of the experience. Seeing as I am not a doctor, there's no way I could have distinguished a physiological effect from a psychological effect.

I have nothing against marijuana, and I'm not trying to scare you or making it seem like a bad thing or anything like that. If you like smoking marijuana, go ahead, I won't stop you, and I believe the government shouldn't stop you either. I was however annoyed with how you confused a screwed sense of perception with a higher form of perception. Though you have cleared the air on that, and said you claimed no such things, so it's all good.

Originally Posted by somerandomdude

well first of all, you asked me if i wanted to be part of a culture that used words such as "baked, ect.", implying that i am part of this "culture" that you later describe as "ghetto street" since i obviously use these words myself. second of all, you seem to think that marijuana smoking is my "hobby" which it isn't. i hate to re-use an example, but once again, i wouldnt assume that someone who drinks wine does so excessivly or as a "hobby".

now you seem to think that those who smoke marijuana are lazy poor people who sit around all day with a bag of potato chips watching television. that is just a huge stereotypical generalization. you seem to think that anyone who smokes marijuana is a chronic user, similar to an alcoholic and that they all just waste away in their sub-par existence for the rest of their life. well, this is obviously not true, i hate to be cliche and use this as an example, but its the first one to pop into my head: Michael Phelps, the Olympic champion smokes marijuana. hes obviously not an underachiever or anything of the sort, but according to you hes a member of the same lazy, low income, ghetto culture that you have lumped me into.

now on that note, i would like to address the last line of your post. of course im offended by the association, you're practically calling me a lazy, low- income, underachiever and likewise assuming "that im not doing anything with my life" which is laughably steriotypical since you only know two things about me:
1: i like classical music
2: i smoke marijuana
i think one should know more about someone before making such assumptions.

Your completely misunderstanding what I wrote. What I'm saying is - in low income areas of town, filled with ambitiously low people, you'll find marijuana to be a HUGE part of that area. Well, it's also an activity YOU participate in. So yes, as I see it, you're making yourself nearer to that part of society. I'm not saying you are one of "Them" - but do you really want to do activity that puts to closer to that level?

Also in an earlier post, I said "you're probably not at the point in your life where having a drug charge on your record would prevent you from doing greater and better things with it," at which point you said "you're right, I don't care that it's illegal."

Anyway, there's ALWAYS going to be exceptions, in everything, so Michael Phelps doing it too means nothing. You have to look at who the majority are, and you're probably not going to find the majority of marijuana users at the Olympics.

Originally Posted by David58117

Your completely misunderstanding what I wrote. What I'm saying is - in low income areas of town, filled with ambitiously low people, you'll find marijuana to be a HUGE part of that area. Well, it's also an activity YOU participate in. So yes, as I see it, you're making yourself nearer to that part of society. I'm not saying you are one of "Them" - but do you really want to do activity that puts to closer to that level?

... I don't think a person needs to worry about their own individual actions and morality simply by some tangential association with a completely different class of people. I know that, for my sake at least, I'll do whatever the hell I like so long as it fits my principles, and if it so happens that a part of society some people like down on do it too, well, I couldn't care less - they've got nothing to do with me and if someone else associates me with them, then they either purely don't know me or they're just plain stupid. :/

Originally Posted by David58117

Your completely misunderstanding what I wrote. What I'm saying is - in low income areas of town, filled with ambitiously low people, you'll find marijuana to be a HUGE part of that area. Well, it's also an activity YOU participate in. So yes, as I see it, you're making yourself nearer to that part of society. I'm not saying you are one of "Them" - but do you really want to do activity that puts to closer to that level?

If people live in a low income area of town, they THEN smoke marijuana; not the other way around. Numbs the pain I think.

Originally Posted by Polednice

... I don't think a person needs to worry about their own individual actions and morality simply by some tangential association with a completely different class of people. I know that, for my sake at least, I'll do whatever the hell I like so long as it fits my principles, and if it so happens that a part of society some people like down on do it too, well, I couldn't care less - they've got nothing to do with me and if someone else associates me with them, then they either purely don't know me or they're just plain stupid. :/

exactly. this is what ive been trying to say.

Originally Posted by somerandomdude

exactly. this is what ive been trying to say.

What? You're the one who got offended by an association I made to it, which is why I replied to it.

Originally Posted by Polednice

Indeed, some just have glaucoma!

Well, atleast according to Peter Tosh's song Bush Doctor.

For multiple reasons, I don't use marijuana, the least of which being the legality, or concern over how I might be viewed.

Personally, I don't relish the idea of partaking of something that is going to impair my ability to think and act clearly. On the issue of addiction, though, I enjoyed the splitting hairs over whether it is a mental or a physical addiction. All addictions are mental. Some may also have a physical component, but all are mental. They deal with your brain being trained to seek a certain outlet for dealing with certain things - whether it be stress, fear, etc. Just because something may give you withdrawal symptoms does not make it more addictive than something that has a firm mental hold of you. Indeed, I would think a purely physical addiction would be the easiest to overcome. You can retrain the body quicker than the mind.

Originally Posted by David58117

What? You're the one who got offended by an association I made to it, which is why I replied to it.

i know that. the above statement doesn't undo what i had said, it reinforces it. i shouldn't be associated with a certain group solely on one simple similarity... i thought that was basically what i said previously.

Originally Posted by DrMike

On the issue of addiction, though [etc.]

Well, let's just say that I hope I never come across you if I end up in rehab!

I think that baked Brahms would love Wagner.