Thread: Mozart: God or Garbage?

Is Mozart the greatest composer who will ever live? Are his works the gold standard of musical perfection? Do you worship him?

Or does Mozart's music reek of the oder of scalp sweat in the lining of a powedered wig? Does his music bore you to tears? Is Mozart, perhaps, just a little over-rated?

NO way!! He may not be entirely perfect but hes about the closest mankind will get.

We all know who really is the greatest composer to have lived, and it isn't Mozart

I don't dislike Mozart as much as others; I do cherish some of his works even though I'm not a massive fan, but I voted garbage to support the cause of being able to say he sucks if that's what you think!

If you call so influental and historically important human being (no matter if you enjoy his music or not), someone who contributed to the music like only few others, then I wonder how would you call yourself. A doggy doo?

I used to be great fan of him when I was starting with classical, now I lack this great fascination and rarely listen to him. But when I do I enjoy it. Besides, I'm grateful to all composers that inspired forthcoming generations in which I find more liking.

Only those two choices?

How about "an enormously talented and uneven composer, like many others, who wrote a wide range of things, wide in type as well as quality, and who has satisfied many listeners for many years"?

Too nuanced?

God, no doubt about it.

I think Mozart deserves his position as the main icon of classical music in most people's minds.

Just because one only understands musical language when it comes to tonality and Romantic orchestration, it doesn't mean that Mozart wasn't a genius of both theory and musicality. If a tree falls, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Originally Posted by Lukecash12

Just because one only understands musical language when it comes to tonality and Romantic orchestration, it doesn't mean that Mozart wasn't a genius of both theory and musicality. If a tree falls, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

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How do you type an upside down question mark?

Originally Posted by Argus

How do you type an upside down question mark?

You have to be doing a headstand while typing it.

You open a word processing program on your computer, go to the symbols or special characters menu, and insert the upside down question mark. Then you copy and paste into your post.

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Or you go to a Hispanic website, find an upside down question mark, and copy and paste. (This is how I get all the diacritical marks for composer's names and for titles. I just go to a website and copy and paste.)

Originally Posted by Polednice

You have to be doing a headstand while typing it.

Ahh. But if I fell whilst doing the headstand and no one was around the hear it would I still feel like an idiot?

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Originally Posted by some guy

You open a word processing program on your computer, go to the symbols or special characters menu, and insert the upside down question mark. Then you copy and paste into your post.

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Or you go to a Hispanic website, find an upside down question mark, and copy and paste. (This is how I get all the diacritical marks for composer's names and for titles. I just go to a website and copy and paste.)

Thanks.

It's alright, I've just informed Juan Carlos I that the upside down question mark is redundant and it has now been abolished from the Spanish language.

Now, do the Portuguese also use the upside down question mark?

I've put "garbage" because I don't agree with the "God" view. I think Mozart is tremendously over-rated and don't really like his music, but I feel it is still great. The only reason I put "garbage" is because there isn't a more "gray" option.

For one moment in the history of music all opposites were reconciled; all tensions resolved; that luminous moment was Mozart.
- (Phil Goulding)

Mozart is the highest, the culminating point that beauty has attained in the sphere of music.
- (Tchaikovsky)

A phenomenon like Mozart remains an inexplicable thing.
- (Goethe)

Mozart is happiness before it has gotten defined.
- (Arthur Miller)

A light, bright, fine day this will remain throughout my whole life. As from afar, the magic notes of Mozart's music still gently haunts me.
- (Franz Schubert)

Mozart is the musical Christ.
- (Tchaikovsky)

Mozart creates music from a mysterious center, and so knows the limits to the right and the left, above and below. He maintains moderation.
- (Karl Barth)

Mozart's music always sounds unburdened, effortless, and light. This is why it unburdens, releases, and liberates us.
- (Karl Barth)


Mozart's music is so beautiful as to entice angels down to earth.
- (Franz Alexander von Kleist)

Mozart makes you believe in God because it cannot be by chance that such a phenomenon arrives into this world and leaves such an unbounded number of unparalleled masterpieces.
- (Georg Solti)


How can such a disproportionately large number of people have a definite, and unusually positive relationship to Mozart?
- (Wolfgang Hildesheimer)


Listening to Mozart, we cannot think of any possible improvement.
- (George Szell)


Mozart's music is an invitation to the listener to venture just a little out of the sense of his own subjectivity.
- (Karl Barth)


Mozart never did too little and never too much; he always attains but never exceeds his goal.
- (Grillparzer)


Mozart is the most inaccessible of the great masters.
- (Artur Schnabel)


Mozart's mental grip never loosens; he never abandons himself to any one sense; even at his most ecstatic moments his mind is vigorous, alert, and on the wing. He dives unerringly on to his finest ideas like a bird of prey, and once an idea is seized he soars off again with an undiminished power.
- (W. J. Turner)


It may be that when the angels go about their task praising God, they play only Bach. I am sure, however, that when they are together en famille they play Mozart.
- (Karl Barth)


Mozart's music represents neither the prolonged sigh of faith that characterizes so much of the music written before his time, nor the stormy idealism which cloaks most music after him. Rather he is that mercurial balance of the skeptic and the humane. Like him, and in him, we can always discover new worlds.
- (Joseph Solman)


Mozart wrote everything with such ease and speed as might at first be taken for carelessness or haste. His imagination held before him the whole work clear and lively once it was conceived. One seldom finds in his scores improved or erased passages.
- (Franz Niemetschek)


The riddle of Mozart is precisely that "the man" refuses to be a key for solving it. In death, as in life, he conceals himself behind his work.
- (Wolfgang Hildesheimer)


Mozart does not give the listener time to catch his breath, for no sooner is one inclined to reflect upon a beautiful inspiration than another appears, even more splendid, which drives away the first, and this continues on and on, so that in the end one is unable to retain any of these beauties in the memory.
- (Karl Ditters von Dittersdordf)


Does it not seem as if Mozart's works become fresher and fresher the oftener we hear them?
- (Robert Schumann)

If we cannot write with the beauty of Mozart, let us at least try to write with his purity.
- (Johannes Brahms)

Beethoven I take twice a week, Haydn four times, and Mozart every day!
- (Rossini)

Before Mozart, all ambition turns to despair.
- (Charles Gounod)

Mozart encompasses the entire domain of musical creation, but I've got only the keyboard in my poor head.
- (Chopin)

What gives Bach and Mozart a place apart is that these two great composers never sacrificed form to expression. As high as their expression may soar, their musical form remains supreme and all-efficient.
- (Camille Saint-Saens)

The most tremendous genius raised Mozart above all masters, in all centuries and in all the arts.
- (Richard Wagner)

In Bach, Beethoven and Wagner we admire principally the depth and energy of the human mind; in Mozart, the divine instinct.
- (Edvard Grieg)


Together with the puzzle, Mozart gives you the solution.
- (Ferruccio Busoni)

I find consolation and rest in Mozart's music, wherein he gives expression to that joy of life which was part of his sane and wholesome temperament.
- (Peter Tschaikovsky)


Mozart tapped the source from which all music flows, expressing himself with a spontaneity and refinement and breathtaking rightness.
- (Aaron Copland)


Mozart's music is particularly difficult to perform. His admirable clarity exacts absolute cleanness: the slightest mistake in it stands out like black on white. It is music in which all the notes must be heard.
- (Gabriel Faure)

Mozart shows a creative power of such magnitude that one can virtually say that he tossed out of himself one great masterpiece after another.
- (Claudio Arrau)

Mozart's music is free of all exaggeration, of all sharp breaks and contradictions. The sun shines but does not blind, does not burn or consume. Heaven arches over the earth, but it does not weigh it down, it does not crush or devour it.
- (Karl Barth)

The works of Mozart may be easy to read, but they are very difficult to interpret. The least speck of dust spoils them. They are clear, transparent, and joyful as a spring, and not only those muddy pools which seem deep only because the bottom cannot be seen.
- (Wanda Landowska)

I never heard so much content in so short a period.
- (Pinchas Zukerman)

Mozart 's music is very mysterious.
- (W. J. Turner)

Mozart resolved his emotions on a level that transformed them into moods uncontaminated by mortal anguish, enabling him to express the angelic anguish that is so peculiarly his own.
- (Yehudi Menuhin)

Designing an opera by Mozart is like doing something for God-it's a labor of love.
- (Maurice Sendak)

In my dreams of heaven, I always see the great Mozart gathered in a huge hall in which they are reside. Only Mozart has his own suite.
- (Victor Borge)

Mozart's joy is made of serenity, and a phrase of his music is like a calm thought; his simplicity is merely purity. It is a crystalline thing in which all the emotions play a role, but as if already celestially transposed. Moderation consists in feeling emotions as the angels do.
- (Andre Gide)

Mozart said profound things and at the same time remained flippant and lively.
- (Michael Kennedy)

Mozart began his works in childhood and a childlike quality lurked in his compositions until it dawned on him that the Requiem he was writing for s a stranger was his own.
- (Will and Ariel Durant)

Mozart touched no problem without solving it to perfection.
- (Donald Tovey)

Mozart's music is the mysterious language of a distant spiritual kingdom, whose marvelous accents echo in our inner being and arouse a higher, intensive life.
- (E. T. A. Hoffmann)

The best of Mozart's works cannot be even slightly rewritten without diminishment.
- (Peter Shaffer)

Mozart is the greatest composer of all. Beethoven created his music, but the music of Mozart is of such purity and beauty that one feels he merely found it-that it has always existed as part of the inner beauty of the universe waiting to be revealed.
- (Albert Einstein)

Most of all I admire Mozart's capacity to be both deep and rational, a combination often said to be impossible.
- (Allan Bloom)

Sometimes the impact of Mozart's music is so immediate that the vision in the mind remains blurred and incomplete, while the soul seems to be directly invaded, drenched in wave upon wave of melancholy.
- (Stendhal)

Mozart combined high formality and playfulness that delights as no other composition in any other medium does.
- (Roy Blount, Jr.)

It is hard to think of another composer who so perfectly marries form and passion.
- (Leonard Bernstein)

In Mozart's music, all intensity are crystallized in the clearest, the most beautifully balanced and proportioned, and altogether flawless musical forms.
- (Phil Goulding)

The sonatas of Mozart are unique: too easy for children, too difficult for adults. Children are given Mozart to paly because of the quantity of notes; grown ups avoid him because of the quality of notes.
- (Artur Schnabel)

There are three thing in the world I love most: the sea, Hamlet, and Don Giovanni.
- (Gustave Flaubert)

Lengthy immersion in the works of other composers can tire. The music of Mozart does not tire, and this is one of its miracles.
- (George Snell)


Mozart has reached the boundary gate of music and leaped over it, leaving behind the old masters and moderns, and posterity itself.
- (A. Hyatt King)


Mozart, prodigal heaven gave thee everything, grace and strength, abundance and moderation, perfect equilibrium.
- (Charles Gounod)

Who has reached the extreme limits of scale with the same infallible precision, equally guarded against the false refinement of artificial elegance and the roughness of spurious force? Who has better known how to breathe anguish and dread into the purest and most exquisite forms?
- (Charles Gounod)


It is a real pleasure to see music so bright and spontaneous expressed with corresponding ease and grace.
- (Brahms)


Give Mozart a fairy tale and he creates without effort an immortal masterpiece.
- (Saint Saens)


Mozart was able to do what he wished in music and he never wished to so what was beyond him.
- (Romain Rolland)

I listened to the pure crystalline notes of one of Mozart's concertos dropping at my feet like leaves from the trees.
- (Virgil Thompson)

What was evident was that Mozart was simply transcribing music completely finished in his head. And finished as most music is never finished. Displace one note and there would be diminishment. Displace one phrase and structure would fall. I was staring through the cage of those meticulous ink strokes at Absolute Beauty.
- (Peter Shaffer)

Mozart's music is constantly escaping from its frame, because it cannot be contained in it.
- (Leonard Bernstein)

Mozart combines serenity, melancholy, and tragic intensity into one great lyric improvisation. Over it all hovers the greater spirit that is Mozart's-the spirit of compassion, of universal love, even of suffering--a spirit that knows no age, that belongs to all ages.
- (Leonard Bernstein)

21 piano sonatas, 27 piano concertos, 41 symphonies, 18 masses, 13 operas, 9 oratorios and cantata, 2 ballets, 40 plus concertos for various instruments, string quartets, trios and quintets, violin and piano duets piano quartets, and the songs. This astounding output includes hardly one work less than a masterpiece.
- (George Szell)

What a picture of a better world you have given us, Mozart!
- (Franz Schubert)