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    Xenakis -- Pléïades is one of my favorite, especially the fourth movement Peaux. Intense, fast, loud. Great work.

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    I'm all for drums in most classical music.
    However, drums in chamber music with strings or woodwind is not usually a good idea. I know this due to being put in a chamber group of two violins, piano/viola (me), cello and percussion. It didn't really end well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shepard Fairey View Post
    Xenakis -- Pléïades is one of my favorite, especially the fourth movement Peaux. Intense, fast, loud. Great work.
    Xenakis was a master of percussion. It's rather a shame he's not more popular here, on TC.

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    DRUM is something appallingly self-regarding about many of those in the classical world because, simply by association, it is assumed to give one a gravitas that is not available to those who listen to other forms of music

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    Quote Originally Posted by backlong View Post
    DRUM is something appallingly self-regarding about many of those in the classical world because, simply by association, it is assumed to give one a gravitas that is not available to those who listen to other forms of music
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fagotterdammerung View Post
    Though I'm stretching my memory back, I remember an article ( or was it a section of a modern orchestration book? ) that described a number of changes that had to be made to a drum kit to make it work better in a concert hall. It was interesting. The only one I remember specifically was taking the dampers out of the bass drum so it sounds more readily in a large hall.
    A bass drum in a modern kit wouldn't normally have dampers built inside the shell - you may find them in old Ludwig drums, but even then they were normally fitted to the snare drum or tom toms. Any damping is usually a pillow, to get that thump in rock and hip-hop etc. Jazz would normally be undampened, and smaller. A typical jazz bass drum is 18" diameter, typical rock is 22", though they can be made up to 26" (John Bonham of Led Zeppelin used one - Ludwig again). This is still smaller than your orchestral bass drum - though I can't remember the typical diameter right now.

    Anyway, in terms of drum kits in orchestras, the BBC Young Musician of the Year for 1998 was a percussionist, Adrian Spillett. Given that virtuosity and audience attention in music tends more towards players of melodic instruments, this was a remarkable achievement, and he remains the only percussionist to have achieved this. From what I remember, he performed a recognised scored piece by a modern composer (obviously), on what looked like an improvised drum kit using mostly orchestral percussion pieces. Sadly I can't find this winning performance on YouTube.

    And yes, I'm a drummer - in a rock band. I still like and regularly listen to classical music too. Go figure.

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    Andrew Lloyd-Webber uses MIDI drums in the Hosanna movement of his Requiem (1985)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuexxtDGo5c

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    Drums are cooler when performed by Hagrid & The Hogwarts Orchestra.

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    I'm not really a drummer primarily, but I've recently gotten into percussion and drum set and have a deep love of classical music, so I figured why not combine the two and try to put drums to classical music? Here, I'm playing a kind of "modified" drum set with some Bach violin concerti...I'm trying to follow the music in a way that is unique to the music and just letting my ideas flow.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDq8YLf9SFI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-liViV4jYA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMM475yEmVY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzZhXQDfFUs

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    Cool. This is the way with a lot of non-rock/pop music too (for example the bodhran in Irish traditional music) where the percussion instrument is played along with the melody, often playing the same notes, rather than as a back beat to tell you where the count is at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagnew View Post


    John Psathas (A New Zealand composer of Greek heritage) wrote these "Drum Dances" for Drum Kit and Piano
    Ben Reimer released an album of works for drum set, including Psathas's Drum Dances. Very refreshing. I liked Lukas Ligeti (most pure drum set piece) and Lizée's Ringer. Britton and the title piece by Lizée are a bit too Rock/Pop-ish for me.

    Katana of Choice - Ben Reimer (Redshift)

    John Psathas: Drum Dances
    Nicole Lizée: Ringer, Katana of Choice
    Lukas Ligeti: Lakoni in Kazonnde for Two Drumsets
    Eliot Britton: Train Set

    And Julia Wolfe's Dark Full Ride (2002) for 4 drum sets is a wonderful piece. Love it.
    Performed by Ben Reimer, Diego Espinosa, Krystina Marcoux, Alessandro Valiante
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2pQxxCllxo

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