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    Greetings my fellow forum members.


    I would like to created a thread in which we can talk about anything that has to do with orchestrations, symphonic transcriptions and orchestral arrangements.
    It's hard and painful to track down albums that have symphonic transcrisptions, thus a thread where people post their precious knownledge will be helpful to all of us.

    We can talk about rarities and curiosities, about orchestrations that you have heard and suprised you, about orchestral transcriptions that turn out to be satisfying, about rare CDs that feature majestic symphonic transcriptions, et cetera...





    Allow me to start with a rare, an "unprocurable" gem.
    http://www.lyrita.co.uk/cgi-bin/lyri...e=SRCD0216.txt

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    Here is one that is hard to find in CD version but I think is available in mp3 versions, Franz Schubert Piano Sonatas Orchestrated:

    http://www.amazon.com/Franz-Schubert...0397857&sr=1-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston View Post
    Here is one that is hard to find in CD version but I think is available in mp3 versions, Franz Schubert Piano Sonatas Orchestrated:
    http://www.amazon.com/Franz-Schubert...0397857&sr=1-1


    Should be interesting.... Who's orchestrated Schubert's keybord works?

    Talking about elusive CDs, I want to acquire this one, but....


    http://www.amazon.com/Symphonic-Bach...B2P5D68TNM3Z1R







    Talking about Schubert orchestrations we have material by :
    -Luciano Berio



    http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/...scriptions.htm



    -And by Leopold Stokowski



    http://www.theclassicalshop.net/Deta...er=CHAN%209349






    Also recommended


    http://www.theclassicalshop.net/Deta...er=CHAN%209930




    http://www.theclassicalshop.net/Deta...r=CHAN%2010282




    http://www.musicweb-international.co...2564619542.htm

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    regarding the scoenberg orchestration of brahms piano quartet in Gminor shown above

    - i found it disappointingly bland and lacking in any of the vigour of Brahms' original chamber version

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKE WYB View Post
    regarding the scoenberg orchestration of brahms piano quartet in Gminor shown above

    - i found it disappointingly bland and lacking in any of the vigour of Brahms' original chamber version


    You mean that particular recording (Neeme Jarvi) or in general??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggelos View Post
    You mean that particular recording (Neeme Jarvi) or in general??
    in general - seems like a wasted opportunity

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKE WYB View Post
    in general - seems like a wasted opportunity
    Perhaps one could call it an "academic scholasticism".
    However there are numerous recordings for Schoenberg's orchestration.
    http://www.usc.edu/libraries/archive.../works/272.htm



    http://www.usc.edu/libraries/archive....htm#NoOpusNos

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    There are always the Arbos orchestrations of Albeniz' rather monumental "Iberia" suite for piano, which sound like psuedo-Ravel. He only orchestrated five of the twelve works, but after listening to the piano originals (and having played a few of them), I'll stick with the originals. They 'sound' well on the piano--crisp and rhythmic--the orchestrations tend to 'flatten' them out, at least IMO.

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    I'd actually say that Schoenberg's orchestrations are pretty good. Didn't some critic call his orchestration of the Brahms piano quintet the "Fifth Symphony?" Schoenberg also did other good orchestrations, for example, of Handel & Monn...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Schoenberg also did other good orchestrations, for example, of Handel & Monn...
    Yes, I listened to samples of the Schoenberg arrangement of a Handel concerto grosso (Naxos recording, you suggested in another thread). Interesting and very modern sounds, while retaining the Handelian melody. It usually gets more fascinating when the period between original piece composition and transcription gets separated by a long period of time, as is this example here; Baroque by 20th century atonal composer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWhite View Post
    There are always the Arbos orchestrations of Albeniz' rather monumental "Iberia" suite for piano, which sound like psuedo-Ravel. He only orchestrated five of the twelve works, but after listening to the piano originals (and having played a few of them), I'll stick with the originals. They 'sound' well on the piano--crisp and rhythmic--the orchestrations tend to 'flatten' them out, at least IMO.

    Tomj

    I concur. Stick to the original... Arbos did not impress me either.
    However Stokowski's orchestration for "Festival in Seville" was lavish and sonorous.
    http://www.theclassicalshop.net/Deta...er=CHAN%209349










    Le me remind you Mahler's re-orchestration


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    Cool

    Guys stop your grinnin' and drop your linen.
    We wiil get badass orchestral transcriptions at the forthcoming BBC proms!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/2010/what...composer.shtml




    Prom 39: Bach Orchestral Transcriptions (Saturday 14 August 2010)
    * J. S. Bach, orch. Stokowski Toccata and Fugue in D minor, BWV 565 (10 mins)
    * J. S. Bach, orch. Henry Wood 'Suite No. 6' - Prelude; Finale (6 mins)
    * Tarik O'Regan Latent Manifest (c5 mins)
    (BBC commission: world premiere)
    * Walton The Wise Virgins – suite (21 mins)
    * Grainger Blithe Bells (4 mins)
    * J. S. Bach, arr. Sargent Orchestral Suite No. 3 in D major, BWV 1068 - Air (6 mins)
    * Alissa Firsova Bach Allegro (c5 mins)
    (BBC commission: world premiere)
    * J. S. Bach, arr. Bantock Chorale Prelude 'Wachet auf, ruft uns due Stimme', BWV 645 (5 mins)
    * J. S. Bach, arr. Respighi Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor, BWV 582 (13 mins)

    Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Andrew Litton conductor
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/2010/what...8.shtml#prom39





    Prom 63: BBC National Orchestra of Wales (Thursday 2 September 2010)
    * Rameau Dardanus – suite (18 mins)
    * Canteloube Songs from the Auvergne – selection (25 mins)
    * Martin Matalon Lignes de fuite
    (UK premiere) (18 mins)
    * Musorgsky, arr. Henry Wood Pictures at an Exhibition (30 mins)

    BBC National Orchestra of Wales, François-Xavier Roth conductor
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/2010/what...9.shtml#prom63





    Prom 67: Last Night of the Proms 1910 (5 September 2010)
    * Wagner The Flying Dutchman – overture
    (11 mins)
    * Beethoven Rondino for wind octet (7 mins)
    * Paganini, arr. Pitt Moto perpetuo (5 mins)
    * Musorgsky, orch. Henry Wood The Peep-Show (13 mins)
    * Bizet L'Arlésienne – excerpts (20 mins)
    * David Matthews/Vaughan Williams Dark Pastoral – based on the surviving fragment of the slow movement of Vaughan Williams's Cello Concerto (1942)
    (BBC commission: world premiere) (c11 mins)
    * Dvořák Rondo in G minor (8 mins)
    * Beethoven Overture 'Leonore' No. 3 (13 mins)
    * Thomas Mignon – 'Connais-tu le pays?' (4 mins)
    * Dvořák, orch. Henry Wood Humoresque in G flat major, Op. 101 No. 7 (4 mins)
    * Wagner Kaisermarsch (10 mins)
    * Wood Fantasia on British Sea-Songs (18 mins)
    * German Merrie England – 'Who were the Yeomen of England?' (4 mins)
    * Forster Mifanwy (3 mins)
    * Elgar Pomp and Circumstance March No. 4 in G major (5 mins)
    * The National Anthem (2 mins)

    BBC Concert Orchestra, Paul Daniel conductor
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/2010/what...9.shtml#prom67





    Prom 76: The Last Night of the Proms (Saturday 11 September 2010)

    * Jonathan Dove A Song of Joys
    (BBC commission: world premiere) (c5 mins)
    * Tchaikovsky Capriccio Italien (16 mins)
    * Tchaikovsky arr. Rysanov Rococo Variations (19 mins)
    * Parry Blest Pair of Sirens (11 mins)
    * R. Strauss Verführung, Op. 33 No. 1
    Freundliche Vision, Op. 48 No. 1
    Ständchen, Op. 17 No. 2
    Winterweihe, Op. 48 No. 4
    Zueignung, Op. 10 No. 1 (18 mins)

    * Chabrier Joyeuse marche (4 mins)
    * Smetana Dalibor – 'Dobrá! Já mu je dám! … Jak je mi?' (3 mins)
    * Dvořák Rusalka – Song to the Moon (6 mins)
    * Vaughan Williams Suite for viola and small orchestra – Prelude; Galop (6 mins)* Wagner Lohengrin – Bridal Chorus (5 mins)
    * Rodgers and Hammerstein Carousel – 'You'll never walk alone' (5 mins)
    * Hans Zimmer Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest – Hornpipe (3 mins)
    * Arne Rule, Britannia! (8 mins)
    * Parry, orch. Elgar Jerusalem (2 mins)
    * Elgar Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 in D major ('Land of Hope and Glory') (8 mins)
    * The National Anthem (2 mins)


    BBC Singers, BBC Symphony Chorus, BBC Symphony Orchestra, Jiří Bělohlávek conductor
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/2010/what...9.shtml#prom76

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    More CDs with orchestrations & orchestral arrangements


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    http://www.chandos.net/details06.asp...er=CHSA%205077




    http://www.theclassicalshop.net/Deta...er=CHAN%205057








    I would like to inform you guys, that Aryeh Oron is creating a rigorous-sedulous list for J.S. Bach orchestral transcriptions :
    http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Arran/L-Orchestra.htm


    It is still under construction, thus if you need/want to contribute, send him an e-mail :
    http://www.bach-cantatas.com/How.htm#Material
    Last edited by Aggelos; May-01-2010 at 10:09.

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