Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 19

Thread: Fugue in Four Voices

  1. #1
    Senior Member MJTTOMB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    334

    Default Fugue in Four Voices

    In D minor. Enjoy!

    Fugue in Four Voices. Pretty heavily inspired by Bach's chromatic fantasy and fugue. I'd rather not post the sheets to this one, as I plan to use it for College Applications next year. I'd love to hear what you think!

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Iceland
    Posts
    119

    Default

    very good. I've also been trying to write fugues. Starting with deux as bass voice makes fugue writing a bit easier, but starting in sopran is a barrier I need to break. Also doing a stretto with voice enterance is something I haven't figured out yet.

  3. #3
    Senior Member Rasa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    1,242

    Default

    How about sheets in locked pdf with your name on it?

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    250

    Default

    I don't really have the right tools to estimate Fugues perfectly, but I must admit, it is reminding me the Fugue from Bach's Chromatic Fantasia and Fugue in D minor BWV 903 which I really liked.
    Do you have a version on Fortepiano?

  5. #5
    Senior Member MJTTOMB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    334

    Default

    Thanks for the feedback thus far, attached a score. I'd love to hear a more in-depth analysis. There are some discrepancies between the score and the recording, particularly at the end, due to some minor changes I made in the proofreading process.
    Attached Files Attached Files

  6. #6
    Senior Member Rasa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    1,242

    Default

    Quick viewing. sometimes you still approach an octave in parallel movement with one of the voices jumping. It's not a grave error, but some composers would avoid it. like measure 55

  7. #7
    Senior Member MJTTOMB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    334

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasa View Post
    Quick viewing. sometimes you still approach an octave in parallel movement with one of the voices jumping. It's not a grave error, but some composers would avoid it. like measure 55
    Yeah, I'm looking over it too, noticing the same thing. Fortunately I recently got hold of a copy of Sibelius, and that checks for parallel 5s / 8ves, so you won't have to.

    I never did learn species counterpoint, so as far as the really specific rules of fugue-writing go, I'm not very well versed. I'm learning how to avoid parallel 8ves (5ths have never really been an issue), but i still do have some tendencies.

    On a macroscopic level, do you think it's consistent with characteristics of the style?

    Also, a recording of the version portrayed in the sheet music.
    http://soundcloud.com/mjttomb/fugue-no-2-in-d-minor

    Actually a rendering, obviously not really a recording.
    Last edited by MJTTOMB; Apr-10-2010 at 01:58.

  8. #8
    Senior Member Rasa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    1,242

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by MJTTOMB View Post
    Yeah, I'm looking over it too, noticing the same thing. Fortunately I recently got hold of a copy of Sibelius, and that checks for parallel 5s / 8ves, so you won't have to.
    No.... That's just wrong on so many levels. The first being that Sibelius doesn't see certain 5ths and 8taves, and that it also sees where there aren't any, or special case where they are allowed.

    Quote Originally Posted by MJTTOMB View Post
    I never did learn species counterpoint,
    But fugue IS contrapuncutual writing...

  9. #9
    Senior Member MJTTOMB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    334

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasa View Post
    No.... That's just wrong on so many levels. The first being that Sibelius doesn't see certain 5ths and 8taves, and that it also sees where there aren't any, or special case where they are allowed.
    I'm well aware of that, but it certainly makes the process easier, as it does weed out many.

    But fugue IS contrapuncutual writing...
    I'm also aware of that. And I have a limited knowledge of how Bach counterpoint sounds, as I listen to his fugues regularly and play them on occasion as reading exercises. I'm only 17, and as of yet I haven't had a chance to study composition on a higher level. Most of what I know is what I've picked up on my own over the past few years by reading books and practicing theory through writing. I know how to analyze fugues, I've studied the form in school relatively extensively. I just never learned the specific rules, because I've never been taught the specific rules.

  10. #10
    Senior Member Rasa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    1,242

    Default

    Read Gradus ad parnassum, by Fux. This is the base theory book on contrapunctual writing. (and also famous for dealing with species counterpoint)

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Iceland
    Posts
    119

    Default

    You have some parallels,
    In bar 15 there are parallel 9ths
    In bar 16 a 7th is resolved by step upwards.
    Parallel 7th in bar 17 and parallel 8th
    Parallel 5ths in bar 18
    4th in bass resolved up (can sometimes be ok, especially if there's a seveth chord)
    7th resolved up in bar 20
    Parallel 8th in bar 21 between tenor and alto voice
    Parallel 5th in bar 22 twice
    Parallel 5th in bar 23

    Well I stop here, hope this helps anything.

  12. #12
    Senior Member MJTTOMB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    334

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by hlolli View Post
    You have some parallels,
    In bar 15 there are parallel 9ths
    In bar 16 a 7th is resolved by step upwards.
    Parallel 7th in bar 17 and parallel 8th
    Parallel 5ths in bar 18
    4th in bass resolved up (can sometimes be ok, especially if there's a seveth chord)
    7th resolved up in bar 20
    Parallel 8th in bar 21 between tenor and alto voice
    Parallel 5th in bar 22 twice
    Parallel 5th in bar 23

    Well I stop here, hope this helps anything.
    That's immensely helpful. Working on fixing them. Though I don't see parallel 5's in 18. C/G# - B/F is an augmented 5th to a diminished 5th, but not technically a parallel, I don't think. I understood p5's to be movement between perfect intervals.

    Again in measure 22, the movement is from a D/A - E/Bb, thus perfect to diminished.

    And in measure 23, B/F - C#/G, both are diminished intervals.

    Regardless, I'm now reading gradus ad parnassum, and I'm making necessary changes. Thank you both so much for the help!

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Iceland
    Posts
    119

    Default

    You know that in strict counterpoint diminished 5th should be prepared and resolved. I don't think Bach would have done this, only maybe in really fast motion with strong harmonic progression. But if you can find example of this you can prove me wrong.

    But fixing some of this errors can change the fugue subject sometimes, so this can be really frustrating, for me too. I have the tendency to give up.

  14. #14
    Senior Member MJTTOMB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    334

    Default

    Yes, I think it would perhaps be better to leave this one as is and instead keep writing more fugues. I really enjoy it when I can actually manage to get a workable subject. It seems like with each subsequent try I'm getting more aware of the rules, and with gradus ad parnassum as a reference, that should certainly help as well.

  15. #15
    Senior Member Rasa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    1,242

    Default

    Look, as long as you don't know species counterpoint well, I don't see the point of writing fugues. That's like writing sonata form without knowing modulation.

    It's nice that you have an interest in the subject, but knowing the basics will save you a lot of time; for example in not having to correct basic contrapunctual errors in your subject and having to change the whole thing.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Fugue in a song by Lady Gaga!
    By MusicalOffering in forum Classical Music Discussion
    Replies: 33
    Last Post: Aug-28-2012, 05:26
  2. Good first prelude and fugue?
    By philhorlings in forum Keyboard Instruments
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: Apr-19-2012, 13:31
  3. Bach cantatas: are female voices acceptable?
    By kiwipolish in forum Vocal Music
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: Jan-28-2011, 18:13
  4. The essential Baroque collection
    By Bgroovy2 in forum Classical Music Discussion
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: Jun-17-2009, 11:52
  5. Bach Fugue e Minor Identify anyone??
    By rogster01 in forum Identifying Music
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: Jan-28-2009, 10:42

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •