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    Default Applause between movements

    I apologise for bringing this up again, but with the applause-fest that is the Proms happening at the moment, I'd like to know how TalkClassical members feel about this controversial issue.

    Simply put, are you for or against applause between movements?
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    Against.

    With opera it is OK to applaud certain arias. I think composers actually built in a convenient pause/break in the story so the audience could show their appreciation, but the singers stays in character. What I hate is curtain calls between acts which only happens in some theatres. For me the curtain call is the final part - the poisoned/stabbed/shot hero/villain has miraculously recovered & receives the adulation (or otherwise) of the punters.
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    Is that one of those useless rhetorical questions?
    Oh I nearly forgot, some would probably claim that applause is just part of the music, the components which being integrated as part of its superiority, indeed.

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    No applause until the end.

    I'm very annoyed by famous E. Onegin by Giergiev, Hvorostovsky and Fleming, foolish audience gives applause after any significan part, despite the fact that there is no pause in the score.

    It's fashion that comes straight from tradition of shallow and anti-artistic opera and I condemn it into the *** of baboon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis View Post
    ... and I condemn it into the *** of baboon.
    Well, quite so. A very fitting way to deal with offenders, I'm sure. Personally, I'd have a row of machine guns lined up all around the Albert Hall ready to shoot anyone who clapped, or even coughed, until at least 10 seconds after the closing bars of the entire work.

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    I've arranged the virtual firing squad to be ready for anyone who votes 'For' in this poll...

    BTW, I am very much against applause between movements.
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    Loosen up! Does it really matter?

    I've heard stories about concerts around the time of Beethoven in which concert goers not only applauded between movements, they booed movements they didn't like. And sometimes they would demand a movement be replayed if they particularly enjoyed it. (This story was related to me by a Music History professor when I was in college, I admitedly don't have any sources to back it up.)

    Personally I don't applaud, but I don't hold anything against people who do. And I don't see the point of alienating people who do by making them feel like they are commiting some kind of faux pas. Either they did it because the didn't know any better or because they were genuinely moved by the performance. Everyone who goes to a concert should have an enjoyable experience even if they are not "in the know" about the propper etiquette.
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    Looks like you're speaking of concert performances. If so, don't care.

    What I do care very much about is applause on CD of recorded 'live' performances: HATE IT!!!

    Have to be very wary of recorded 'live' performances: sometimes the performance is terrific, but any sensible record company will issue CDs with the applause cut off--thankfully!

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    Compared to the sound of audience members coughing their insides out like they usually do between movements applause sounds like a nice alternative actually. Curtain calls between acts in opera don't bother me either. Applause when there's no break in the music annoys me, but when the music stops people should be allowed to show their enthusiasm (or disgust) as far as I'm concerned.

    PS: I guess that judging from the comments of others that makes me a bit of a rebel. Having said that, it obviously doesn't take much to be a rebel at a classical music concert.
    Martha doesn't signal when the orchestra comes in, she's just pursing her lips..

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    How about this?

    This evening's Prom featured Beethoven's Symphony No 1, Violin Concerto, Symphony No 5, in that order.

    Listening to it on BBC Radio 3, the applause in between movements of the Symphony No 1 and the VC was quite modest and didn't spoil things.

    So onto the high spot, Symphony No 5. And guess what ...

    Horror of horrors. The lousy audience were clapping over the start of the opening bars. Either that or Paavo Jaavi started far too soon. This is a first for me. Did anyone else notice it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opal View Post
    How about this?

    This evening's Prom featured Beethoven's Symphony No 1, Violin Concerto, Symphony No 5, in that order.

    Listening to it on BBC Radio 3, the applause in between movements of the Symphony No 1 and the VC was quite modest and didn't spoil things.

    So onto the high spot, Symphony No 5. And guess what ...

    Horror of horrors. The lousy audience were clapping over the start of the opening bars. Either that or Paavo Jaavi started far too soon. This is a first for me. Did anyone else notice it?
    I think Paavo started too quickly tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maestro267 View Post
    I think Paavo started too quickly tbh.
    I think you're right. A bit of a shame because it was very good otherwise. Hopefully I'll soon edit it out using Audacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sospiro View Post
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    With opera it is OK to applaud certain arias. I think composers actually built in a convenient pause/break in the story so the audience could show their appreciation, but the singers stays in character. What I hate is curtain calls between acts which only happens in some theatres. For me the curtain call is the final part - the poisoned/stabbed/shot hero/villain has miraculously recovered & receives the adulation (or otherwise) of the punters.
    I'm with you there. I find it really disturbs my suspension of belief for the evil villain or sighing hero to come out beaming and bowing halfway through the opera. In fact I've got a Trovatore DVD (the Karajan one) where they come out between every scene and I simply can't watch it.

    The Met is the worst for premature adulation. Let the music finish already, before you start clapping.
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    Depends on the piece. Back in the day, composers like Mozart and Beethoven wrote music knowing that there would be applause between movements- which is why Beethoven started connecting some of his movements so that there wouldn't be applause. But if he connected movements so that would be the case, then one must assume that all of the disconnected movements were written with applause in mind. Pieces like Beethoven's 7th need applause in between movements to fuel the fire so to speak. With that piece in particular I've always thought the musicians would play so much more enthusiastically if they were encouraged after every movement.

    However with modern music, the music is written without applause in mind. In that case, I'd say don't, unless the composer condones it.

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    Like SuperTonic, I myself don't do it, but I certainly don't mind if others do. It used to be quite a common thing in fact, expected by composers, even desired.

    As if classical concerts aren't stuffy enough already-- and people wonder why classical music has been stereotyped as being stuffy and pretentious. Its a concert, not a bloody church service.
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