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    I would appreciate some advices from people that know thing or two about musical competitions.

    The thing is: I want to apply for conducting competition, it's serious one, high standards, hard selection and stuff. I belive I could win it or at least take a place on the podium.

    But there is one problem. I just took a look at application card and all those things that it asks. They are going to select apprentices basing on schools they finished, teachers they worked with. I have nothing to show off in these aspects. My conducting teacher is 26 years old student and her name won't make me look better. Besides, I took private lessons, never was in regular music school.

    It disturbs me how can I disengage. This competition is big chance for me and wasting it would be disaster. So I wonder, what can I do to increase my chances for being qualified?

    Here is bilingual application card with listing of other things you have to provide:

    http://www.filharmonia.bialystok.pl/...eniowa2011.pdf

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    The trouble is, these competitions can often attract a number of applicants far larger than could be accommodated in the actual competition process. So, the organisers have to find a way to find the applicants who look ON PAPER to be most likely to be of a high standard and with a chance to succeed in the competition (no-one wants a second-rate competition, after all).

    The only way the organisers can do this is through the information on the application form. It is true that applicants who have studied at highly respected conservatoires and with established and respected teachers will have a better chance than those without such qualifications. Ask yourself how else they could complete this process.

    I mean no disrespect, but have you ever actually conducted an orchestra? Or are you simply learning the 'technique' from a similarly inexperienced teacher? I have been in the music business for more than 30 years and have encountered more than my fair share of 'conductors' who think they are marvellous but, in reality, are truly awful and who were ripped to shreds by a cynical and impatient orchestra.

    I would be interested to know more about the orchestras and choirs you have actually led through performances, the pieces you have conducted and where these performances took place.

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    I mean no disrespect, but have you ever actually conducted an orchestra? Or are you simply learning the 'technique' from a similarly inexperienced teacher?
    No, I had no such opportunity since, like I said, I took private lessons. If even full-time academics are given to conduct orchestra couple of times in a year how could I get to it? As for the teacher, coducting is her second faculty and she's quite experienced orchestral musician who worked with couple of estimated and famous conductors (Jerzy Maksymiuk, that's quite big name all over the world) so my lessons often focused on more practical aspects of conducting than dry theory and techniqe.

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    I have to be honest. You have no practical experience whatsoever as a REAL conductor directing musicians in a real performance. Until you gain this experience - and you have to be resourceful and determined to seek-out this experience - you will have little chance of being accepted for a competition such as this, no matter how good you think you might be at it.

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    Thank you, I appreciate your posts and sincerity.

    Still, I'm too heroic <last movement of Beethoven's 5th begins, the rest of post is sung by me along with it's opening themes> to give up. Despite my little chances ooooo this thread stays actuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal ooooooo and I will glaa-aaa-aaa-dly, glaa-aaa-aaa-dly, glaa-aaa-aaa-aaa-aaa-dly take any evee-ee-ntual adviceeeeee-eeees... adviceeeeee-eeees <reprise, choir of TC users sings along>

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    While gaining practical experience is necessary to enter competitions like this, I also believe that far too much emphasis is placed on "who" and "where" one studied by the organizers of such events.

    There are a good number of people who have the talent and experience, but because they didn't study at, for instance Julliard or with a Zubin Mehta, they are snubbed, which, imho is very wrong.

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    Create your own musical institution, put your teacher in it.

    Done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasa View Post
    Create your own musical institution, put your teacher in it.

    Done.
    This...

    How likely is it that every contestant will be checked thoroughly? Take a chance.

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    Sure, should I also design, print and sign (as a teacher) this institution's diploma and certificate they demand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis View Post
    Sure, should I also design, print and sign (as a teacher) this institution's diploma and certificate they demand?
    Well; if you did... They certainly wouldn't exclude you because of a lack of motivation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasa View Post
    Create your own musical institution, put your teacher in it.

    Done.
    THIS!

    If you wanna be a real sly-dawg, make the name and school of your "institution" of study based in China.

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    To begin with, Aramis, I wish you good luck. I hope that you will be successful.

    I admire your ambition, strong motivation, persistence, and will power. I hope that you also have whatever resources necessary.

    I read in this forum posts from musicians asking about the possibility of being accepted as players in an orchestra. Since you have the motivation, and if you also have the resources, wouldn't it be a good idea to collect players as motivated as you are, organize your own orchestra, and practice conducting it under the guidance of your teacher?

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