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  • Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy

    9 39.13%
  • March

    1 4.35%
  • Trepak (Russian Dance)

    4 17.39%
  • Dance of the Toy Flutes

    1 4.35%
  • Waltz of the Flowers

    7 30.43%
  • Other (please specify)

    1 4.35%
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Thread: Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker

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    Default Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker

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    Being probably the most famous ballet ever written, it's known even by non-classical fans. Here's just a curious question: what part of the Nutcracker is really the most known? What particular melody will most regular people hear and immediately say "That's the Nutcracker!" or "Is that Tchaikovsky?"
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    I think maybe the Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy, March and the Russian Dance are the most famous. If I had to pick one, then the Sugar Plum Fairy Dance.

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    I agree with Aksel.

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    Trepak. Its on all the radio commercials for the Nutcracker performances.

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    I would have said Dance Of The Mirlitons - anybody remember the Cadbury's advert on TV?

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    I hate this ballet as I hate his other ballets...he composed them for eating! This is not the real Tchaikovsky....Nutcracker is like Christmas, a commercial stuff. It comes from an old tradition...but the tradition was missunderstood...now is part of the shoping-Christmas-feast...The music is corny that is why everybody loves it. In general people like corny stuff...Take a look to Daniel Steel !!!!!!

    I like his operas and created a discussion group for it. His symphonies are awesome too.
    His piano concerto no. 1 = Rachmaninov, 2nd piano concerto...Too much known..Too "filmy"...

    I like the real Tchaikovsky, the ballets are "his weakness"...Baronese Von Meck didn't like them either. She was a woman with taste.



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    Since I have no taste whatsoever I love his ballets.

    To answer Huilunsoittaja's question: All of them.
    Martha doesn't signal when the orchestra comes in, she's just pursing her lips..

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    Martin - is your problem with ballet in general or Tchaikovsky's in particular? If in general does that mean Firebird, Rite Of Spring, Petrushka, Agon etc are inconsequential when considering Stravinsky?

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    I love these ballets, except agon (not good!!!)! I don't like ballets with "easy music", I don't like "easy music"...Could be ballet or anything. Easy music sounds corny or cheesy...I like more complicated music, I also like dodecaphonic music. Anyhow, Tchaikovsky has more substancial music as his operas...they're master pieces! I also like Prokofiev ballets.

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    I would say the March but that's because that's the melody that stuck in my head when I was little..my parents had several recordings of the Nutcracker/Swan lake suites that my sister and I would listen to when we were 5-8 years old. However my favourite piece from it would be the pas de deux near the end of act 2, with the harp beginning.
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    I read somewhere that said Tchaikovsky totally hated this ballet. Compared to his symphonies and stuff it's kinda apparant why. Really pop-ish. So I guess if somebody loves Tchaikovsky cuz of this ballet, they're misunderstanding tchaikovsky

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    I identify the three ballets by comparing their three most famous waltzes, so when someone mentions the Nutcracker I think of Waltz of the Flowers. Played by a good orchestra, the romantic strains of the melody can be very intense!
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    I love Tchailkovsky's simple melodic 'corny' music and absolutely hate it when it becomes 'complex' and non-musical! I must be simple
    always shoot from the hip....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexandrew View Post
    I read somewhere that said Tchaikovsky totally hated this ballet. Compared to his symphonies and stuff it's kinda apparant why. Really pop-ish. So I guess if somebody loves Tchaikovsky cuz of this ballet, they're misunderstanding tchaikovsky
    Well, I don't care if it's pop-ish or not, I still like it. Besides, just because one likes his ballets doesn't mean that one can't like the symphonies, concertos and operas as well.
    Martha doesn't signal when the orchestra comes in, she's just pursing her lips..

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    [QUOTE=jhar26;125665]Well, I don't care if it's pop-ish or not, I still like it. Besides, just because one likes his ballets doesn't mean that one can't like the symphonies, concertos and operas as well.[/QUOTE]


    Agreed. If anything it's a testament to Tchaikovsky's versatility - it doesn't all have to be doom and gloom and I think Nutcracker as a work should totally transcend any kind of Guilty Pleasure status whatever the composer himself thought of it.

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